The world belongs to China - Political Forum

Ping W. · 04-19-2008, 10:01 AM

We all agree that:

1. The world economy is based in China, no longer America. Tibet is legitimate by the world

2. All Asians are historically Chinese, culture Chinese, historical Chinese migrants or their territory was vassal of China like Tibet. With the peaceful rise all these people will naturally join us peacefully.

3. We will soon cover the technological gap as our kinsmen travel the world.

4. States outside asia were also vassals or explored by Chinese.

5. Our population is the largest and we are moving everywhere.

Agreed?

chaochao · 04-19-2008, 08:12 PM

?????? Hi, friend, although I am chinese and I love my motherland, I can't agree with your points.
1. The world economy is based in China, no longer America. Tibet is legitimate by the world.
At least now I think US and Euro are still the center of world economy, they have the largest capital export and techinical edges, China have to make great efforts to shorten the distance.

2. All Asians are historically Chinese, culture Chinese, historical Chinese migrants or their territory was vassal of China like Tibet. With the peaceful rise all these people will naturally join us peacefully.
Historically? I don't know where you got your conclusion, I learnt China history very well and I am also interested in China's history, I never learnt that. Sure Chinese migrants moved to some where in acient time due to civil war and other trouble, but your words are rather surprising.

3. We will soon cover the technological gap as our kinsmen travel the world
China has a long road before cover the technical gap with US Euro and Russia. I think even our scientists can't get that conclusion as yours.

4. States outside asia were also vassals or explored by Chinese.
I think it is Colombo who discovered America not Chinese.

5. Our population is the largest and we are moving everywhere
this point is right to some extent.

u r Chinese too? We love our motherland, but I think we should think about the world, the reality and the history with a serious and responsible attitude, not just with arrogance and ignorance, we should respect the history and other countries.

老大，俺今天终于见到什么叫爱国愤青了！

libertarian0507 · 04-20-2008, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chaochao

?????? Hi, friend, although I am chinese and I love my motherland, I can't agree with your points.
1. The world economy is based in China, no longer America. Tibet is legitimate by the world.
At least now I think US and Euro are still the center of world economy, they have the largest capital export and techinical edges, China have to make great efforts to shorten the distance.

Correct, the US and Europe still account for a majority of the world economy. China is growing , but still has a long way to go.

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2. All Asians are historically Chinese, culture Chinese, historical Chinese migrants or their territory was vassal of China like Tibet. With the peaceful rise all these people will naturally join us peacefully.
Historically? I don't know where you got your conclusion, I learnt China history very well and I am also interested in China's history, I never learnt that. Sure Chinese migrants moved to some where in acient time due to civil war and other trouble, but your words are rather surprising.

This statement is off the wall, completely ignorant and wrong. Please study up on asian history a little more before making outrageous statements that have no basis in reality.

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3. We will soon cover the technological gap as our kinsmen travel the world
China has a long road before cover the technical gap with US Euro and Russia. I think even our scientists can't get that conclusion as yours.

agreed, long way to go.

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4. States outside asia were also vassals or explored by Chinese.
I think it is Colombo who discovered America not Chinese.

Well, Colombus was preceded in his discovery by the Norse, and I have heard that the Chinese may have discovered it first, even if they did ,they obviously did nothing with it.

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. Our population is the largest and we are moving everywhere
this point is right to some extent.

So? China is trying to take over the world? What is meant by this??

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u r Chinese too? We love our motherland, but I think we should think about the world, the reality and the history with a serious and responsible attitude, not just with arrogance and ignorance, we should respect the history and other countries.

老大，俺今天终于见到什么叫爱国愤青了！

Very true. It is these kind of attitudes that turns away the westerner from trying to negotiate and use diplomacy with the PRC.

Kazikli Bey · 04-20-2008, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ping W.

1. The world economy is based in China, no longer America. Tibet is legitimate by the world

The world economy is based in the Western world, not China. If it wasn't for the West buying stuff from China because they have slave labor wages, the Chinese economy never would have developed as it did. Also, to make a point, if India had followed the same education model and industrialization, they could easily have been a major competitor in terms of economy.

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Originally Posted by Ping W.

2. All Asians are historically Chinese, culture Chinese, historical Chinese migrants or their territory was vassal of China like Tibet. With the peaceful rise all these people will naturally join us peacefully.

Yeah, right, Vietnam will just open arms and return to its great friend China.

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Originally Posted by Ping W.

4. States outside asia were also vassals or explored by Chinese.

That doesn't make the world belong to China. Also, Rome came to the East, not the other way round.

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Originally Posted by Ping W.

5. Our population is the largest and we are moving everywhere.

Globalization mean everyone is moving everywhere.

CHIEAGLE · 04-20-2008, 05:58 AM

Oh god,my friend Ping W,maybe you should be more ...

LostInTranslation · 04-20-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ping W.

We all agree that:

1. The world economy is based in China, no longer America. Tibet is legitimate by the world

2. All Asians are historically Chinese, culture Chinese, historical Chinese migrants or their territory was vassal of China like Tibet. With the peaceful rise all these people will naturally join us peacefully.

3. We will soon cover the technological gap as our kinsmen travel the world.

4. States outside asia were also vassals or explored by Chinese.

5. Our population is the largest and we are moving everywhere.

Agreed?

These arguments were a little far-fetched, I am afraid.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-20-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by libertarian0507

Very true. It is these kind of attitudes that turns away the westerner from trying to negotiate and use diplomacy with the PRC.

I actually used to think the West's assistance of China was a good thing. However, the recent Chinese nationalist comments I have been reading on this forum has given me a lot of reasons to change my views on Western relations on China towards policies that are less helpful to them.

Martin · 04-20-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by libertarian0507

Well, Colombus was preceded in his discovery by the Norse, and I have heard that the Chinese may have discovered it first, even if they did ,they obviously did nothing with it.

Correct. Here is an interesting book by Gavin Menzies about the subject: "1421 The Year China Discovered The World."
Highly recommended. You also can check this website:
1421 - The year China discovered the world - Home Page

Martin · 04-20-2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

I actually used to think the West's assistance of China was a good thing. However, the recent Chinese nationalist comments I have been reading on this forum has given me a lot of reasons to change my views on Western relations on China towards policies that are less helpful to them.

The overheated Chinese nationalist hardline youngsters' comments are indeed counter productive but please do not judge an entire population, based on these nonsensical comments by only a few.
I think the comments of people like LIT and Luke are adding better quality posts, from a mainland perspective. Without agreeing on all and everything, I find their information very interesting.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-21-2008, 12:10 AM

I would say that it paints a very bad picture of China when the country is stifling protests in their country, deliberately changing the ethnic makeup of part of the country to the detriment of local minorities, China's continued lack of democracy, and for their youngest generation to hold totally warped ideas about what is right and wrong. Those are good reasons to be skeptical on China.