The world belongs to China - Page 2 - Political Forum

mikado · 04-21-2008, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin

Correct. Here is an interesting book by Gavin Menzies about the subject: "1421 The Year China Discovered The World."
Highly recommended. You also can check this website:
1421 - The year China discovered the world - Home Page

Hi Martin, it's an interesting claim that Zheng He reached America, but a far-fetched one I think.

Martin · 04-21-2008, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mikado

Hi Martin, it's an interesting claim that Zheng He reached America, but a far-fetched one I think.

No, seriously, give the book a try. Me too, I was looking at it very sceptically before. It's not fiction or a novel like the Da Vinci Code. The writer is an expert in his domain and the documentation/ proofs offered are to the point. Research is very well done. Not far-fetched at all. Not an easy read though.

Athelite · 04-21-2008, 04:23 AM

And all this time I thought only the 22 provinces in mainland belonged to China.

The more you know.

mikado · 04-21-2008, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin

No, seriously, give the book a try. Me too, I was looking at it very sceptically before. It's not fiction or a novel like the Da Vinci Code. The writer is an expert in his domain and the documentation/ proofs offered are to the point. Research is very well done. Not far-fetched at all. Not an easy read though.

I've not read the book but I've read a fair bit of discussion of it, both for and against. As I understand it, the map cited as evidence for Zheng He's discovery of America was clearly edited post-Columbus.

mikado · 04-21-2008, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Athelite

And all this time I thought only the 22 provinces in mainland belonged to China.

The more you know.

I read elsewhere a claim that the Austronesian migration originated in Taiwan. So perhaps Hawaii should be a province of the ROC? (Along with Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines...)

tigress001 · 04-21-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ping W.

We all agree that:

1. The world economy is based in China, no longer America. Tibet is legitimate by the world

2. All Asians are historically Chinese, culture Chinese, historical Chinese migrants or their territory was vassal of China like Tibet. With the peaceful rise all these people will naturally join us peacefully.

3. We will soon cover the technological gap as our kinsmen travel the world.

4. States outside asia were also vassals or explored by Chinese.

5. Our population is the largest and we are moving everywhere.

Agreed?

While I acknowledge your patriotism, I don't agree with your hasty assertions, which are not forceful at all in any case.
Vehement articulation of the 愤青(fenqing--wrathful youth, cynical youth) will only induce antipathy and fear from the outside. It helps nothing in getting China's voice to be heard.
(By the way, are you convinced yourself in what you say?)

smallpox · 04-23-2008, 07:17 PM

Nationalism/patriotism/chauvinism -- all useless and do nothing but distort historical facts and argumentative logic as proven by the OP. Thank you for the lesson.

Intranetusa · 04-24-2008, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

I actually used to think the West's assistance of China was a good thing. However, the recent Chinese nationalist comments I have been reading on this forum has given me a lot of reasons to change my views on Western relations on China towards policies that are less helpful to them.

The west's assistance of China is like the west's assistance of Africa...stemming mainly from guilt over centuries of colonization and militaristic policies.
cough...opium wars, unequal treaties, etc...cough

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-24-2008, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Intranetusa

The west's assistance of China is like the west's assistance of Africa...stemming mainly from guilt over centuries of colonization and militaristic policies.
cough...opium wars, unequal treaties, etc...cough

Can you tell me what assistance the West has provided China?

smallpox · 04-24-2008, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Intranetusa

The west's assistance of China is like the west's assistance of Africa...stemming mainly from guilt over centuries of colonization and militaristic policies.
cough...opium wars, unequal treaties, etc...cough

I'm kinda of a westerner, and even if I was a full westerner, I WOULD FEEL ABSOLUTELY NO GUILT for what happened in China. I did nothing wrong to that country. I wasn't responsible in the least for the Opium wars and "unequal treaties".
If you want to blame states for what happened, you have no one to blame but the Chinese state. All these exploitations were only accomplished because of its adherence to meritocracy, and resistance to change.