chaochao

that is what capitalism wants people to think about! Western democratic constitution is not suitable for China's acutal situation and history! That has been proved by the history of the failure of Republic of China. Of course traditional socialism theories are also not suitable for China's situation, we are experiencing a entirely different way to develop and manage our country from that of western constitution. I think critisc is allowed, no gov never make mistakes, but recently all chinese can see the so-called free and equal western media's behaviours of lying and ignorance of truth! That make most chinese believe there are some evil intentions behind their alleged unbias!

It is just western media and their gov who break chinese's dream of implementing western democracy, not CCP! At least with the lead of CCP, we can see things around us becoming better and better than before, but western countries and media can give us nothing except slander and lies! Just as they did 100 years ago. Today they want to do that again with the cover of freedom and human rights!

"No Dogs or Chinese Allowed", that is what the democratic coutries ever did in China, no chinese will forget our history. History is just a mirror, we can see the truth from it what the so-called democratic countries and their intentions of intruduce their democracy really are!

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mikado

That doesn't necessarily follow. The Republic of China failed at the point of conception, in 1911. That doesn't necessarily mean democracy (western style) would not work in China today.

I wonder how much debate there is in China at the moment about different forms of government? Just saying "the CCP is great!" without thought is lazy, no? Do people analyses different models of government and their suitability in China? I agree with you that western-style democracy is not automatically the best, but it'd be interesting to hear your analysis of the differences in Chinese society that make china unsuited for this democracy.

I think that it's very wise to view the media with a sceptical eye and be aware of potential bias, propaganda, error and over-simplification. That said, I wonder how you form your views of western media? Take the BBC (because I see a lot of BBC output) - you've criticised the BBC amongst other western media outlets as biased. Do you personally see a lot of BBC output, or are you just going on what you've been told? Are you particularly referring to one single caption on a report about the Lhasa riots, or are you referring to ongoing, pervasive bias in the BBC output on China? I'd be very interested to know on what grounds you consider the BBC to be biased.

I suppose the question is, are things getting better because of the CCP or in spite of it? I think prosperity is a great thing, and I can't criticise anyone for backing a government that provides prosperity. But what about when the prosperity ends (and it must do eventually, no country is prosperous for ever). Will people still be so happy with the CCP then? Will people still be willing to tolerate lack of free speech, lack of national elections, etc?

I hope this is just a figure of speech, and not something you mean literally.

History is not a mirror of the present day, that's a horrible mistake to make. Associating westerners of today with westerners of a century ago is like associating Chinese of today with Chinese of a century ago. As a learner of history, you'll be aware of a great many evil deeds by China and the Chinese in history, just as there are many misdeeds by westerners.

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chaochao

thanks for mikado's reply and questions, sorry I don't know how to multi quote as you did, i ever did before unknowningly!

Regarding your "differences in Chinese society that make china unsuited for this democracy", haha, it is really rather a long theory, I even can write a thesis about it, I am sorry now I am too busy with my graduate academic paper (on ecommerce), i don't have enough time to explain such complex thing in short words, but i promise when i finish my paper i will post a thread to write my opinions, welcome to criticize!

Regarding BBC, I always have good impressions about BBC until their reports about Tibetan riots and torch relay! My major is English in college, almost everyday i listen to BBC and VOA on air or visit their website ( i am still ashamed of my bad english although i've made efforts to learn), it is sure BBC is great press, i get a lot of info from it than from chinese news press. But the recent western media including BBC's reports and bias about Tibetan riots and the Dalai really hurt chinese feeling, you can also see not in China, young chinese students studying abroad even protested! It is true that our gov control most anti-gov websites, but i can visit them via proxy, at least by my judgement and knowledge, those webs also do not tell truth, some even direclty insult!

Regarding the need or abandonment of CCP, I want to say that all parties, no matter communist party or capitalism party or sth else, if it didn't be by people, on people and for people, people will surely abandon it, no matter what party it is, communist party has no exception, "People is the driving force of history progress!" I think when if one day the CCP really had become the block of chinese people, people would start revolution to cast down it at any expense just as people supported CCP to start the revolution in old China! But the social conflict and problems now in China is far to the need of cast down and revolution.

Regarding the history is a mirror, that is my opinion, a great emperor in Tang Dynasty ( a period in China's history from 618-907）ever said that! My meaning is not to block communication and cooperation with foreingers, but from the lecture of history, we will value more about the real friendship and today's peace. China also ever did bad things in history, no one want bad history happen again. That is why we should consider history as a mirror.

I want to talk other thing, i think the difference of political system doesn't influence the friendship between people, there is a guy from UK in my city, i ever played soccer with him, his name is denis, his wife is a classmate of my friend, a chinese! I don't think there are sth wrong, relatives and friends sent their wishes, CCP didn't inspect whether denis is spy or whether he is communist, we enjoy life just as people in UK, US, DE, CA etc. I often talk with people from US, UK, Greece etc on MSN, they have the same problems such as hard to find jobs, high commodity price and so on as we have here. I think we all have problems, we all need to make efforts to improve our society and life, both politics and economy if they were not good enough!

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mikado

Hi Chaochao, I hope your studies are going well To quote blocks of text you put [qoute] at the start and [/qoute] at the end of the text, only you spell it “quote” not “qoute”. If that makes sense.

Well no need for a thesis I think. Just a few bullet points would be interesting & informative. If you’ve time and interest to write something longer I hope I can give it the attention it deserves.

Your English is fine, way better than my embarrassingly poor Chinese

Can you give an example of biased reporting by the BBC?

At the moment the BBC is running a series called “Chinese School” about a bunch of schools in Anhui. I think it’s quite fair, and quite insightful. A bit earlier was “A Year In Tibet”. I wonder if you saw the full BBC output you’d feel it was fair or not.

BBC/OU Open2.net - Chinese School

No doubt. There’s no shortage of insults and untruth on the internet.

I disagree – there’s many historical examples of governments that have ruled through their own power, not through the support of the people. Now China is doing well, and I can understand that the people who are benefiting are happy about that. But what about when things become worse? Will people regret having an authoritarian, single-party government then? At the moment you say that people who oppose the Communist Party are traitors. That’s pretty extreme, to me. It allows no discussion of alternatives. I hope that China will develop naturally and peacefully, but it’s just possible you may one day regret not taking the chance to change things while the economy was good and the people happy.

Taizong – I looked him up. Would you say there’s similarity between Taizong’s rule and that of the CCP?

If I understand right, the quote is “the past can serve as a mirror so that we know what is good.” We can learn from the past, but that’s not the same as being fixed in the past. We cannot just say, “westerners did such-and-such 100 years ago and that means they’re just the same today!”

I agree. I think people are pretty similar around the world, and we have more things in common than we realise. Talking to each other and understanding each other can only be good

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