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04-19-2008, 08:03 AM
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i agree with the message in the sense that for japan it is highly hipocrite to speak of the tragedy of the killings in tibet. they still show no remorse for their own doings
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04-19-2008, 09:19 AM
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i agree with the message in the sense that for japan it is highly hipocrite to speak of the tragedy of the killings in tibet. they still show no remorse for their own doings
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I think you are mistaking ordinary Japanese, with their government. Living here in Japan, I know that most Japanese do not agree with what their country did in WW2. The fact that it happened does not mean that all Japanese alive today are guilty of these war crimes. Those who were guilty were punished like Tojo. Every human being has the right to speak out for justice, no matter where in the world they live. And for the last 60 + years Japan has shown itself to be a nation that wants peace, advocating strongly the ideals of democracy and freedom and human rights. It seems to me that Japan learned their lesson a long time ago. To bad you can't say the same for the murderous government in Beijing.
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04-19-2008, 09:38 AM
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i agree with the message in the sense that for japan it is highly hipocrite to speak of the tragedy of the killings in tibet. they still show no remorse for their own doings
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Thanks! I think most chinese hate Japan most because they alway try to beautify their invasion to Asian countries, they say that invasion was to help Asian countries to develop economy and resist western countries invasion.
Besides, I have an other thing to pointed, in Tibet there is no massacre, traitors masterminded the roits, they made many crimes like killing, burning, rob!Our goverment just took the legal measures to stop crimes and arrest criminals! I think every responsible goverment should take legal measures if that crimes happen in his country. Now all Chinese home and abroad support our goverment! I am also a little surprised by that, I know our gov has a lot of problems, but it is the only gov who can make China stable and peaceful and develop with high speed! 
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04-19-2008, 09:56 AM
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I think you are mistaking ordinary Japanese, with their government. Living here in Japan, I know that most Japanese do not agree with what their country did in WW2. The fact that it happened does not mean that all Japanese alive today are guilty of these war crimes. Those who were guilty were punished like Tojo. Every human being has the right to speak out for justice, no matter where in the world they live. And for the last 60 + years Japan has shown itself to be a nation that wants peace, advocating strongly the ideals of democracy and freedom and human rights. It seems to me that Japan learned their lesson a long time ago. To bad you can't say the same for the murderous government in Beijing.
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I also know ordinary Japanese are good, but I don't agree on that "To bad you can't say the same for the murderous government in Beijing"! Because a more murderous gov now is killing people everyday in Iraq. Now you are living in Japan? So you can see the changes and the actual opinions of ordinary Japanese, I think you can also change your opinions if you live for some time in China!In my college there are many foreign teachers from US, Russian, New Zealand, UK etc, one of my teacher is from Carlifonia, his sister and her husband ever came to China and came to our class, we talked with them, they didn't have the same sense with you. Welcome to China, I think when you land our country, you can understand more. 
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04-19-2008, 10:48 AM
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I think Japanese people can protest and voice their converns. However, I don't see Japanese government advocating this. And governments know that stability in the government is more important than 'human rights' to a certain degree because instability in a government will lead to more 'human rights' issues.
I personally think that these Tibetan protestors don't know what they want when they demand Tibet Independence. Think about the recent events in the Kosovo - Serbia splitup. Alot of people moved, and it caused alot of grief.
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04-19-2008, 11:51 AM
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I think Japanese people can protest and voice their converns. However, I don't see Japanese government advocating this. And governments know that stability in the government is more important than 'human rights' to a certain degree because instability in a government will lead to more 'human rights' issues.
I personally think that these Tibetan protestors don't know what they want when they demand Tibet Independence. Think about the recent events in the Kosovo - Serbia splitup. Alot of people moved, and it caused alot of grief.
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thanks, of course Japanese people can protest and voice, but protest against other countries ignoring the truth will hurt the feeling of those countries' people. Japanese have hurt us chinese for a long time due to the war and their gov's irresponsible attitude. If Chinese protest against US and say that California or Florida or American indians should be independent, I think American people will not be happy and consider that as intrigue to separate US. I agree much on your opinion that "stability in the government is more important than 'human rights' to a certain degree because instability in a government will lead to more 'human rights' issues"! China has a large population up to 1.4 billion and 56 nationalities, if China were involved in instability and civil war, numerous people will suffer. 
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借我三千虎贲,复我浩荡中华! 汉旗指处,望尘逃遁!敢犯我中华天威者,虽远必诛!
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04-20-2008, 06:08 AM
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thanks, of course Japanese people can protest and voice, but protest against other countries ignoring the truth will hurt the feeling of those countries' people. Japanese have hurt us chinese for a long time due to the war and their gov's irresponsible attitude. If Chinese protest against US and say that California or Florida or American indians should be independent, I think American people will not be happy and consider that as intrigue to separate US. I agree much on your opinion that "stability in the government is more important than 'human rights' to a certain degree because instability in a government will lead to more 'human rights' issues"! China has a large population up to 1.4 billion and 56 nationalities, if China were involved in instability and civil war, numerous people will suffer. 
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Florida and california are both states in the UNITED STATES and American Indians are independent of the US Government for the most part. Most Americans would say they are for the indian`s self government. These things are again completely irrelevant when discussing Tibet. Tibet was a sovereign nation, and should be,has the right to be one again.
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04-20-2008, 06:46 AM
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Florida and california are both states in the UNITED STATES and American Indians are independent of the US Government for the most part. Most Americans would say they are for the indian`s self government. These things are again completely irrelevant when discussing Tibet. Tibet was a sovereign nation, and should be,has the right to be one again.
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XIZANG(Tibet)is a province in the PEOPLE REPUBLIC OF CHINA .Most CHINESE would say Tibetians are CHINESE.These things are again completely suitable when discussing Florida and california .
You said:Tibet was a sovereign nation, and should be,has the right to be one again. ------Like your last mistake,when you want to quote sth.,please first think about it,is it truth? I won't say I have the truth,but just think about it,you are lied possible?
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04-20-2008, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by libertarian0507
I think you are mistaking ordinary Japanese, with their government. Living here in Japan, I know that most Japanese do not agree with what their country did in WW2. The fact that it happened does not mean that all Japanese alive today are guilty of these war crimes. Those who were guilty were punished like Tojo. Every human being has the right to speak out for justice, no matter where in the world they live. And for the last 60 + years Japan has shown itself to be a nation that wants peace, advocating strongly the ideals of democracy and freedom and human rights. It seems to me that Japan learned their lesson a long time ago. To bad you can't say the same for the murderous government in Beijing.
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murderous???
ok,then tell me the answer HOW MANY American Indians killed by your country USA before The Declaration of Independence?
additionally,I tell you some thing that is:English invaded Tibet twice in 1888 and 1903-1904.AND 1904.3.31 the English army made a bloodbath to Tibetians so rude so dishonorable so callous !!!
and i beg you show me some evidence to prove I'm WRONG,
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04-20-2008, 07:04 AM
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murderous???
ok,then tell me the answer HOW MANY American Indians killed by your country USA before The Declaration of Independence? 
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This is a completely ignorant comment . The USA did not exist before the Declaration of Independence.
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