Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChina!
and the material that i read says the Dalai Lamas men once skinned a Lobsang Gyatso and another two monks, using them as sacrifice. yeah religious freedom.
|
Hi Go China...wow please print the link!!
I have been investigating this since I bumped into your posts today. Before I didn't know anything about it.
Being cautious before I believe everything, I did a search and came up with this paper
The Shuk-Den Affair: Origins of a Controversy. Takes time to read and I only skimmed but it does seem to suggest that this is considerably more involved that you suggest. If you want a much quicker link here is a newsweek article
Newsweek on "Cult Mystery"
All seems to have started going wrong in the 70's when someone, I think it was the Dalai Lama's previous tutor, brought out a Yellow Book which started changing things and in particular was suggesting that involvement in the Dalai Lama's own spiritual traditions could bring all kind of havoc and even death to you.
It is easier if I just copy bits of the conclusion. Hopefully if you read them you will see it is not as one sided as you think!
'Whatever the intentions of its author, the main message of the Yellow Book is hard to miss. Ge-luk lamas should absolutely not practice the teachings from other schools, otherwise they will incur Shuk-den's wrath and die prematurely.The author of the Yellow Book was repeating the views already expressed by the two most important figures in the tradition of Shuk-den followers, Pa-bong-ka and Tri-jang, as illustrated by the above quote (for the former) and claimed by the book itself (for the latter).[49] The Yellow Book provided a number of cases that illustrate this point, emphasizing that the dire warnings were not empty threats but based on "facts."
But, as we saw earlier, a number of Nying-ma rituals are precisely the basis of the Dalai Lama institution as understood by the Fifth and the Fourteenth Dalai Lamas. Does it not follow that the present Dalai Lama is the "enemy of Buddhism" as implied by the practice of Shuk-den?
Most of Pa-bong-ka's followers would answer this question in the negative. They would argue that their practice is primarily not directed at anybody but stems from their religious commitments. Nevertheless, the fact that this shocking statement seems to follow logically from the way the practice of Shuk-den has been defined by its main proponents explains the challenge that such a practice raises for the leadership of the Dalai Lama.It also throws some light on the claim that Ne-chung resents Shuk-den's success. Since Ne-chung is taken as the preeminent protector of the Dalai Lama, he must indeed be disturbed by a cult that takes the very people he is meant to protect as its target. Finally, we understand the divisiveness of the practice of mundane protectors such as Shuk-den and the danger of violence that it contains.For, after all, what can one do with the enemies of Buddhism but fight them?
......
So why is the practice of Shuk-den so problematic?
The answer is to be found in the sectarian ways in which this practice has been defined by its founders.Shuk-den was re-invented during this century not just to satisfy the wordly puposes of individuals or particular institutions, but also and mostly to affirm and defend the identity of a revival movement opposed to other religious groups, particularly within the Ge-luk tradition.Shuk-den is the protector in charge not just of protecting individual practitioners but the integrity of the Ge-luk tradition as conceived by its most conservative elements.It is this aggessively sectarian use of this deity that has been particularly problematic. The practices associated with the other protectors are different in that they are used by monasteries, lama's estates, families, or individuals for this-wordly purposes as piecemeal elements of a traditional network of religious practices, not to affirm a systematically sectarian outlook. As such they do not map into any large-scale socio-political distinction and their potential for abuse remains limited.'
People appear to have been killed on both sides.
The real question I have is why given the situation in Tibet would these people allow a dispute like this to arise and not have sorted it out.
I'm afraid that my present guess is that it may be that what the Dalai Lama suggests is right and that these people are being supported by your Government! It does not otherwise make any sense!!
Link to shorter newsweek article.
Newsweek on "Cult Mystery"
Link everything, there is always two sides to each story
Linear Mode
