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Stopping the march of the army convoy towards Tian-an-men Square was quite common practice back then, and many participated in such activity. I would be very surprised if the tank man was killed, as this would imply the necessity to kill many others as well.
are you saying that there were more people who ran out in front of tanks and purposefully got in thier way?
and its easier to kill 1 lone tank man than it is to kill many protesters
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I have never heard anything about what happened to him afterwards
would it be too much to ask that you look into it?
yes, like i said i've seen the video, he had what looked like a shopping bag. and its stupid to think that a kid his age would take up the islamist suicide tactic against his own government.
Man, there was not shopping bag at that time, 20 years ago, people is poor. There are not so much things to shop. Not shopping mall, so romantic,it had been crisis for a month when he climb the tank. Did you see his age from the video? you can even see the face, you are deducing with unknown parameter X. Islamist suicide have all age range, and sex range. And most of them are young people. Paradox, In here, you don't think "a nieve youth" and "rather die", see afterward what you deduce.
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the U.S. government is that paraniod about random civilians carrying bags. and its not uncommon for soldiers to allow curious iraqi civillians look at the tanks and trucks.
It is the skill of report, you may seldom see burnt vehicles in the tian'anman affair reports. But even in the Tank Man from PBS you could see some burnt tanks and soldier trucks. Much more tanks and trunks got burnt in those days than in Iraq in months.
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like i said before, the men who walked up to the tank man were secret police, they looked just like another protester, so they could easily persuad him to follow him.
You are deducing from unknown parameter......if soldier shot with machine gun,why them just kill the tank man directlly. If with a bag stoping a troop cannot got killed, what should be kill directlly? Why secret police dress like protestor? they need to dressing uniform to bully them to behavior themself. Why did you deduce that lots of robbers dress like protest people? At that time, the annual income is about 300 USD. No more than one dollar a day. People hunger and jobless. There were not robbery and burning in los angeles huge affair years ago?
he was most likely a disenfranchised youth who might have lost a friend or 2 in the killings, and maybe he just said to him self "enough, i'd rather die then let this oppression continue" and sense he is a nieve youth its not hard to believe when he tryed to talk to the tank driver that he might have been trying to say some thing like "give peice a chance" or some other saying like that. Paradox, In here, you do think "a nieve youth" and "rather die", see what you deduce in the beginning.
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how can there be bias from an unedited video?
Bias from deduce, tank man caught and killed. the bicycle man are secure police..... See from your tube:
Normal man could deduce from bias, how could I ask more precise from western media? Not mention every year USA appropriate secret fouds to those China protestors and they live with the fund to survive. tibet and cia - Google Search
My english is weak, write this reply cost one hour. I have to look after my stock, the stock market will closed.
I believe the tank man's dead... Either government or non-government caused. Either way, he's dead..
Else there is no reason for him not to make a public appearance after all these years. He must know he's pretty famous as the tank man, and can probably make heaps by appearing on TV while clearing the name of the CCP.
Whether there is "western media bias" or not, China had no right to kill hundreds or thousands of protesters in 1989, and it has no right to force Tibet to remain part of China.
Man, there was not shopping bag at that time, 20 years ago, people is poor. There are not so much things to shop. Not shopping mall, so romantic,it had been crisis for a month when he climb the tank.
well like you stated in your previous posts, the people of china were very poor, but that still doesnt stop the fact that they bought thier clothes from some where, and since the tank man was probaly poor he kept the bag for future purposes (luggage ect.). and like you said, the protest lasted for a while, so maybe the tank man thought it a good idea to bring some supplies in a bag so he wouldnt have to keep running home.
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Did you see his age from the video? you can even see the face, you are deducing with unknown parameter X.
i can guess that the tank man was a student because most of the protesters were students.
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Islamist suicide have all age range, and sex range. And most of them are young people. Paradox, In here, you don't think "a nieve youth" and "rather die", see afterward what you deduce.
how many chinesse civillians were blowing them selves up in tiennemin square? suicide bombs would be an illogical move for protesters to take seeing how a bomb going off in a crowd would kill way more civilians then police. and because of that your relating the tank man to a islamic terrrorist is foolish.
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You are deducing from unknown parameter......if soldier shot with machine gun,why them just kill the tank man directlly.
because the actions takin by the government against the protesters looked bad enough, remember the world was watching tienemen square.
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Why secret police dress like protestor? they need to dressing uniform to bully them to behavior themself.
the secret police dressed them selves as police to be secretive (hard concept to understand, i know). its more effective to monitor a protest when you have men inside the giant mass, and men outside to keep it back.
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Why did you deduce that lots of robbers dress like protest people?
ummmm .. i've never said robbers dressed like civillians, but then again, what else would a robber dress like?
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There were not robbery and burning in los angeles huge affair years ago?
If you are reffering to the L.A. riots then yes there was robbery and looting, but they wern't rioting for a government change, and there were definatly not tanks rolling in to stop them.
Tiananmen students were wrong, and naive about their political campaigns. They themselves were involved in numerous political fightings and corruption allegations. How could they ever convince the older generation that they can bring clean governance?? After 1989, China has been immune from any political instabilities, and Chinese economy expanded five times. Materialistic progress goes hand in hand with social stability. A Singaporean Dictatorship combines materialistic wealth, efficiency, as well as clean government. Western ideologies do not grow well in East Asia. Western democracy like that in Taipei, is more corrupt, and poorer than the dictatorship in Singapore. Japan is forced after WW2 to accept western ideology, but still, only ONE party can ever win the election. The present and the previous Japanese leaders are all from famous political families.
However, the Chinese government at that time could have done better to suppress their mostly naive demonstrations. Although, they are wrong, young students should be expected to have lots of hormones.
In case of the Tank Man, nobody knows and nobody, except westerners and their watchdogs, cares.
is it wrong to want freedom?
did you just blame an entire protest rally on hormones?
do you at least have an opinion of the tank man?
Nobody knows his mentality, except himself. He might be just a simple impulsive person. He might be gambling on the collapse of CCP in 1989, so he could collect some political capital and wanted to be famous afterwards. Every person are planning to do a lot of things. Some are calculating the stock market, some are planning a political trick to destroy the opponent, some are thinking how to get a girl to date him. People are very sophisticated animals. All the information about that person is that picture. Before I have enough information about him, I remain modest and do not have an opinion.
are you saying that there were more people who ran out in front of tanks and purposefully got in thier way?
and its easier to kill 1 lone tank man than it is to kill many protesters
Not necessarily in front of tanks, some blocked the army trucks. Of course it is easier to kill one than many, but I just can't see why killing him would serve the government any good.
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would it be too much to ask that you look into it?
I am as interested as you are to find out his whereabout. Unfortunately, if hundreds of western journalists and human rights activitists were unable to locate him then, I seriously doubt that I would be able to provide the answer two decades later.
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