Caves Of Chinese Culture - Political Forum

ArrackiFalconX10 · 03-30-2008, 01:59 AM

There is more to the Tibet issue than just wanting to be independent and enjoy the bliss and meditation of being in the state of Nirvana. Dude, the various denominations of the Buddhist practices is the issue. Alot of the new age citizens wants to break away from the oppressive beliefs. Such as those forced to marry their own cousins, and the poor within the western region who can't afford health care etc., using the elements of the puff fish to sedate their daughters who will not work or marry a relative locking them in ground cellars and pandering them against their will and hooking them to human chains if the girls attempt to escape and the police will just return them to this. Dude, the thought of being in state of Nirvana is great, but this entire issue is deep. Asia is famous for its various flowers such as the famous purple Tulip. China is also famous for its tech., innovations, however, is this necessary. I mean can't a family find another way to get health care, and [id] technology has augmented to where they shouldn't have to depend on a son or daughter to provide for them as in the age of the Dragon. China is not some undeveloped country to have to treat people this way. Are these beliefs worth preserving is the question. Don't get me wrong, meditation and Nirvana is great, but how can you enjoy Nirvana with your daughter locked in a cellar because she don't wanna marry her cousin or uncle? Has the need for health care distorted reason masked with a fight for a religion. Notice that the news never specify what denomination of Buddhism is having the conflict, they just say Buddhist.

Oneday · 03-31-2008, 02:18 PM

Some of these are true but not all.

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Originally Posted by ArrackiFalconX10

Alot of the new age citizens wants to break away from the oppressive beliefs. Such as those forced to marry their own cousins

using the elements of the puff fish to sedate their daughters who will not work or marry a relative locking them in ground cellars and pandering them against their will and hooking them to human chains if the girls attempt to escape and the police will just return them to this.

how can you enjoy Nirvana with your daughter locked in a cellar because she don't wanna marry her cousin or uncle?

What you said had happened a lot and not uncommon before PRC, and it was a part of Chinese culture at the time. But your knowledge about it really needs some significant updates from this century old impression, since 59 years have passed.

It is one of the major achievements of the GOV to get rid of this and ban marriage between relatives, not within three generations of relatives in fact, and today this sounds ridiculous to chinese people, no matter rich or poor. Even more ridiculous is you said people been put into jail for this.

In China no one can decide a marriage but the the two themselves, and they are free to divorce, too. There are parents who still want their children marry specific people and sometimes result in tragedy if you look at the absolute number, but this happens no more often than other crimes and the parent will be sent into court. In pactice this do have exceptions in places like some rural area in Tibet, which is to respect their culture, and if we force them to abandon this culture, someone will still say we are doing the wrong thing, doesn't it?

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and the poor within the western region who can't afford health care etc. I mean can't a family find another way to get health care, and [id] technology has augmented to where they shouldn't have to depend on a son or daughter to provide for them as in the age of the Dragon. China is not some undeveloped country to have to treat people this way.

The medical system is a miserable disaster I have to admit, especially for the poor and those live in rural areas which counts for half of the population now. The direct reason for this was everything was "Commercialized", consider the benefits groups behind this, the situation won't be easy to change although GOV already promised this year it will enact new plan.

As for the old, it is part of the chinese culture that children take care of their parents, and they live together, too, until the one child policy came out. Old people will have to depand on their pensions after retirement, in cities most people lives ok with it but not very comfort, in country on the other hand two children were allowed to alleviate the stress.

The national walfare system is just start to form, and the fast urbanization process also helps reduce the rural problem. But I think the pain will continue for some time, you can consider current China as US in 1920s or a little earlier, before the start of the social walfare system.

rrttrr · 03-31-2008, 02:36 PM

Man, well say about China. It is the fact.

anyway, not pay not gain still in USA. If you paid not pension, you will end up on the street too in USA.

rrttrr · 03-31-2008, 02:56 PM

Hi, you really need to update your knowledage about China. get into this link of google, just see the pictures of China.
中国 - Google Image Search
Serch in google with keywords: China, you can only see China in eyes of the western's medias.

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Originally Posted by ArrackiFalconX10

There is more to the Tibet issue than just wanting to be independent and enjoy the bliss and meditation of being in the state of Nirvana. Dude, the various denominations of the Buddhist practices is the issue. Alot of the new age citizens wants to break away from the oppressive beliefs. Such as those forced to marry their own cousins, and the poor within the western region who can't afford health care etc., using the elements of the puff fish to sedate their daughters who will not work or marry a relative locking them in ground cellars and pandering them against their will and hooking them to human chains if the girls attempt to escape and the police will just return them to this. Dude, the thought of being in state of Nirvana is great, but this entire issue is deep. Asia is famous for its various flowers such as the famous purple Tulip. China is also famous for its tech., innovations, however, is this necessary. I mean can't a family find another way to get health care, and [id] technology has augmented to where they shouldn't have to depend on a son or daughter to provide for them as in the age of the Dragon. China is not some undeveloped country to have to treat people this way. Are these beliefs worth preserving is the question. Don't get me wrong, meditation and Nirvana is great, but how can you enjoy Nirvana with your daughter locked in a cellar because she don't wanna marry her cousin or uncle? Has the need for health care distorted reason masked with a fight for a religion. Notice that the news never specify what denomination of Buddhism is having the conflict, they just say Buddhist.

ArrackiFalconX10 · 04-03-2008, 01:01 AM

To Oneday and RRTTRR, thanks so much for your response and it is greatly appreciated:
However, Oneday, I see what you're saying and we know what paper says on what people can and cannot do about inter-familial marriages etc., in being, don't forget that some people carry on customs even though some are repealed just as within the U.S., some of the old traditions of English culture are very much still practiced. I understand that many may have adopted the secularist perspectives but within the rural areas this practice is very much alive.
I didn't say jail, at least I hope I didn't. But a cellar on the land in which these families live. Not the government detentions, the government just returns the runaways back tot he family when they try and escape. RRTTRR, all I can say to you is that you are something else, and your promulgated dialect is so cool..., I'm lovin' it though. Not pay not play

. But remember, the offspring held in the cellar against his or her consent being the puff fish toxin and pandered to the unseen only left with the remnants of the pain of the intercourse whether vaginal or anal aren't getting to play anything because though they may be winning at the poker table, they are not benefitting but the parents are. All they win is pain and psychological trauma while cousin, grandma, moms & pop get their noodles and spice and diabettes medication, and their fine wines and whiskey. Pay to play..., come, come now, they haven't been able to get in the game yet, and apparently never will unless they marry a cousin or other family member.

ArrackiFalconX10

ArrackiFalconX10 · 04-03-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Oneday

Some of these are true but not all.

What you said had happened a lot and not uncommon before PRC, and it was a part of Chinese culture at the time. But your knowledge about it really needs some significant updates from this century old impression, since 59 years have passed.

It is one of the major achievements of the GOV to get rid of this and ban marriage between relatives, not within three generations of relatives in fact, and today this sounds ridiculous to chinese people, no matter rich or poor. Even more ridiculous is you said people been put into jail for this.

In China no one can decide a marriage but the the two themselves, and they are free to divorce, too. There are parents who still want their children marry specific people and sometimes result in tragedy if you look at the absolute number, but this happens no more often than other crimes and the parent will be sent into court. In pactice this do have exceptions in places like some rural area in Tibet, which is to respect their culture, and if we force them to abandon this culture, someone will still say we are doing the wrong thing, doesn't it?

The medical system is a miserable disaster I have to admit, especially for the poor and those live in rural areas which counts for half of the population now. The direct reason for this was everything was "Commercialized", consider the benefits groups behind this, the situation won't be easy to change although GOV already promised this year it will enact new plan.

As for the old, it is part of the chinese culture that children take care of their parents, and they live together, too, until the one child policy came out. Old people will have to depand on their pensions after retirement, in cities most people lives ok with it but not very comfort, in country on the other hand two children were allowed to alleviate the stress.

The national walfare system is just start to form, and the fast urbanization process also helps reduce the rural problem. But I think the pain will continue for some time, you can consider current China as US in 1920s or a little earlier, before the start of the social walfare system.

I forgot to respond to the ending of your response Oneday. You say that pain will have to continue until the system of welfare is perfected or the healthcare system in general. Being that I was talking about the pain the offsprings must face because of their family customs and needs, are you stating that the offspring whom are raped and held in the cellar will have to deal with the pain a bit much longer?
What is it that has made people accept such human suffering now days? One person sent me a private message stating that the families should have this right when they are faced with emergencies, and I just can't grasp the fact, that when is it ever okay to take something from someone against the will, especially by drugging them to get it as if that will make it okay because in such a persons rationale, they think since they are not beating them and the person is not conscious it's okay. History is yet repeating itself again, though slavery has never ended at least the most brutal parts of it all was brought down, but in western Tibet rural area, the brutal parts are definitely making a rise or comeback. If you had a kid and wanted to live in some nice subdivision and really couldn't afford it, according to your statement unless you correct it, your are stating that it's okay to hold your kid captive against his or her will and sedate them and pander them out to pay YOUR rent and expenses no-matter how much of a toll it is taking on them? No-matter how much they tell you they hurt? Because when conscious intercourse can be managed, but when sedated the muscles cannot adjusted. So no-matter how much it hurts, again, with the current American reason, it's okay to do this because it's for a greater good the family, no-matter how much the offspring is destroyed.