Eddie11

The Chinese/Tibetan situation is a scenario alot like the Isreali/Palestinian scenario but it is also completely different aswell in circumstances.

NB, This thread is posted in both the Asia Thread Library and Mid East because if applies to both

I am curious to know the opinions of Chinese aswell as Westerners/others on the Isreali Palestinian issue and whether they view it as the same situation with Tibet.

You may be saying that they r completely different situations but here are some similarities:

- There are Isreali citizens living in settlements in the West Banks and Gaza aswell as in the Isreali border. They believe, along with the Isreali government, that these locations are HISTORIC parts of Isreali land and they are not on Palestinian land but just reclaiming what was Isreali land from thousands of yrs ago
-In China the government and the majority of everyday Chinese believe that HISTORICALLY Tibet has always been part of China, it was part some time ago (around a thousand yrs, not quite sure when exactly) and was reclaimed around the same time modern day Isreal was created.

- The Isreali settlements ( which usually are inhabited by strong followers of Judaism - maybe fundamentalist depending on your bias - that believe in the restoration of the state of Isreal, but not all) that are created along the border and in the West Bank and Gaza can be seen as a form of Ethnic cleansing to create a majority of Jewish settlers and a minority of Palestinians that can ensure that through democratic voting the majority will vote to remain part of Isreal if it ever came to that.
- The migration of traditional 'Han Chinese' West to Tibet to increase infrastructure and the provinces economy has also created a Han Chinese majority and a Tibetan minority that will also ensure that Tibet could never succeed from China in a "Kosovo kind of situation". Some believe this is an intentional migration by the governemnt to create a majority of Han Chinese (to maintain control) aswell as develop the provinces economy.

- The vast majority of Palestinians oppose the Isreali occupation
- Though cannot be verified, a significant number of Tibetans oppose the Chinese occupation (but only due to lack of objective media sources entry to the region can it not be confirmed), according to various sources the numbers range from the vast majority to under half. But what is not disputed is that ehtnic Han Chinese are favoured for employment and Tibetans are segregated in society and are less favoured for jobs and employment, there is a high instance of unemployed Tibetans and lower standard of living compared to the Han Chinese in the province - a racial segregation (Social Issue).

Although one major difference between the 2 situations is:
- Isreal achieves its continued occupation through different tactics; (major emphasis on )mainly focused on military force tactics and policing, minor emphasis on creating new settlements and diplomacy. The situation for Palestinians is more dire by living sortof in limbo becasue of a kind of blockade on them and a higher instance of violence.
- China used extensive military force tactics to gain/reclaim the land initially in 1950/48 (unsure of exact date) but has maintained control though its countries strict laws against demonstrations against the state but the majority of control is through relatively peaceful means of increasing the economy of the province and migration of Han Chinese ( which may both be the same thing aswell as seen as a method of ethnic cleansing). But we have seen that when the Austhoirty is challenged the policing methods by Chinese police and military is quite similar to Isreal.

I am really interested on the opinions of Chinese and Tibetan (C/T) readers of this post on whether they see similarities to the Isreali Plaestinian (I/P) issue and their opinion of the I/P issue especially which side do they support I or P?

And I am really intersted on the opinions of Isrealis and Palestinian readers (And Arabs in general) on the similarities with the C/T situation and also if you could pick a side that you agree with or support.

So what I am saying is if you are Chinese; If you support the Chinese occupation of Tibet do you alos support the Isreali occupation of Palestine and visa versa?

Also other nationalities are welcome to give their opinion of whether the situations are similar or not and other topics ofcourse.

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Eddie11

Okay sry I'll just keep it in the asis thread then, the Mid east one can b deleted

winter6126

clear,two different issues.you can't compare these two issue.

zhangmingzhao

Not comparable. Isarael displaced Palestinians. So far Tibetan account for 92% of the population in Tibet. No one ever forced Tibetans to leave their home. The population of Tibet rose from a little more than 1 million to about 6 million today.

Darkseid

Sorry dude but you shouldn't treat the Chinese as though they are better than the Israelis. I don't know where you get your facts from but a good number of those "displaced" palestinians moved by their own accord from a struggle that started by Palestinians and devasted Palestine. Palestinians need to learn to be good losers, okay?

Now I will admit that Israel has done harm to Lebanon and still occupies Palestine. But... at least they aren't doing all the crap the Chinese are doing such as forbiddening religion, forbiddening the native tongue to be taught in public schools, forcing the public to not speak out against their regime, sending thousands of people to death camps, prisons, or worst facilities.

Israel doesn't make Palestinians instantly disappear. Israel doesn't forbid Palestinians of being muslims. Israel doesn't forbid the Arabic language to be taught in schools. Sure they act like Greek Cypriots, but that is about it.

What China is doing is completely inhuman, well beyond what Israel has ever done. Don't believe me? Go to Tibet and see it for yourself.

zhangmingzhao

"But... at least they aren't doing all the crap the Chinese are doing such as forbiddening religion, forbiddening the native tongue to be taught in public schools, forcing the public to not speak out against their regime, sending thousands of people to death camps, prisons, or worst facilities. "

Maybe you or I need to check the facts. Religion forbidden in Tibet? Those monasteries are funded by the central government. Monks' are on the state payroll. As to the forbidding the teaching of the mother tongue, I cannot tell you. The only thing I knew of is that my tibetan classmate can and was allowed to speak mother tongue. I also had many Korean Chinese, Turkish Chinese schoolmates. They all can speak their mother languages. None of them complaining of not being able to learn their mother tongue. People probably did get to be sent to some prisons when they challenge the CCP's rule.

orange dave

You forgot one other similarity...China and the Jews were both the targets of genocide campaigns during WWII.

Darkseid

Last time I checked China was anti-thiestic, as in they don't approve any monotheistic or polytheistic religion.


Proof please...

They have to go to a private school to learn Tibetan or pick it up from their relatives.

LostInTranslation

Have you?

Please, check your facts before you post. I will buy it if you said there was no unrestricted religious freedom in China. But saying religions are forbidden in China? Both my father and my sister are devoted Christians, and my grandpa was a local Christian priest before he passed away at the age of 86 of natural cause. I don't see them persecuted for their religious beliefs.

Here is one for you, written by an Indian scholar (remember, Indians were not in the best term with Chinese, and India is host to HHDL's Tibetan-government-in-exile):

TIBET - A REALITY CHECK

There are numerous others written by westerners, if you ever bothered to google them. For now, I am staying away from any articles of Chinese origins.

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