Broad support for China over Tibet issue.China daily - Page 20 - Political Forum

Parisyann · 05-06-2008, 05:07 AM

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I guess my analogy made a lasting impression, eh?

Sure, if you really think your analogy is right by yourself, then I guess it must bear some truth; but what about PR? Does it stand (on analogies) for Public Relations, don't tell me it's for People's *Cough-Cough-Cough* no, really?

GoChina! · 05-06-2008, 10:28 AM

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Oh, I see, so when that nobody Chinese guy does it, you support him, but when a "westerner" satires the same concept to conceptualize the folly of such propaganda, not only do you not see the point, but you prove me right by refusing it. All premises aside, denying me from doing that, denies this gentleman and his friends to do it in all logic. So you are now opposing your previous support for these pictures.

No, they just paint the image of an authoritarian China that you denounce the "west" of having. Don't you see that it's what the anti-China media fuels on to gather opposition to China? You show this to anyone here, and it's an obvious case of 1984, of the short-comings in China. Silencing dissidents is not a proof of strength, it just makes the outside observer realise the weakness that were the cause for such insecurity.

Again, I don't care if someone took pictures of the Dalai Lama with Mao, it doesn't mean shit.
You're pretty funny actually. You're so desperate to have public opinion on your side, that you have to show a few pictures here and there, of micro-examples of nationalism as if it was at all significant. Man am I glad I'm living in Canada, where I can rely on election results, and objective surveying to establish what the public opinion is rather than relying on easily misleading narrow-in-scope pictures.
Funny how after trying this strategy and being defeated by the obvious lack of Pro-Nazi consensus in the US yet the presence of pro-Nazi rally pictures, that you would not only ignore my response, but continue using this fallacy of a basis as if I would suddenly forget basic logic.

Let me guess, did they BUY this portrait of Mao?

Cause I know for a fact that they're sold in Beijing, along with Mao's Red Book along with T-shirts, and other gadgets including Chinese knots. Funny how even in China, the once demi-God image of a communist leader has become the symbol of capitalist brand.

lol if someone say a pic of real people is from a wax museum, i dont think i have to argue with him anymore LOL. call black white?

oh yes thats a nobody Chinese guy, all of the tons of pics in my comuputer are nobody Chinese too, including nobody Chinese demonstrations in Ottawa, Vancouver and Toronto. does he have to be a somebody?

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being defeated by the obvious lack of Pro-Nazi consensus in the US yet the presence of pro-Nazi rally pictures

?? being so confident that you beat me? just because i did not refute it? why i did not refute it? the reason is above.

btw, do you know those demonstrations in your country? wow tens of thousands of Chinese took part in them. hope your tv statsions did not cut them out of the pics when they report like CNN did or turn a blind eye to them like french tv stations did.

smallpox · 05-06-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChina!

lol if someone say a pic of real people is from a wax museum, i dont think i have to argue with him anymore LOL. call black white?

I see, you have nothing to argue against my real arguments, so you'll target my picture deciphering abilities as if at all relevant. Genius!

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oh yes thats a nobody Chinese guy, all of the tons of pics in my comuputer are nobody Chinese too, including nobody Chinese demonstrations in Ottawa, Vancouver and Toronto. does he have to be a somebody?

Yes, pictures are the tools of propaganda, and your ignorance and lack of understanding is its fuel. It's not because you have pictures of protests and other Chinese people stating bad arguments (bad even by your own admission as according to your response to my satire), that it means it's a significant movement. You're hurting your nationalist cause by demonstrating what people have to resort to determine public support since other avenues are so restricted. I can show you pictures of people surpporting anything in the world, IT DOES NOT PROVE A SINGLE THING.
You can have pro-Chinese protests in Canada, yes. What's your point?

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?? being so confident that you beat me? just because i did not refute it? why i did not refute it? the reason is above.

I defeated the fallacy you relied to propagate your agenda.

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btw, do you know those demonstrations in your country? wow tens of thousands of Chinese took part in them. hope your tv statsions did not cut them out of the pics when they report like CNN did or turn a blind eye to them like french tv stations did.

Yes, they've been covered by the CBC several times, but no one really cared about them. Again, what's your point?

Parisyann · 06-01-2008, 06:14 AM

Well I don't know what's Russia's stance on Tibet but I believe we can add them to the broad support PR China gets for its surely wider nuclear program. Or is it simply public relations again, some juvenile game, LostInTranslation?

haidian · 06-06-2008, 02:56 AM

old american documentary shows tibet part of china

this is an old american documentary about wwII in china.that was decades before the people's republic of china.it proves that years before this republic,tibet was always being considered part of china by the international community.claims that tibet was invaded by PLA after 1949 is groundless.

guess those guys wouldnt know the music they chose to be played in the beginning of this documentary later on became the national anthem of the people's republic of china.at that time it was just a popular anti japanses war song.

american emblem shown with chinese national anthem,ha,what a combination.ha

check this documentary out
YouTube - (01) Why We Fight: "Battle of China (ca. 1944) 1/5

TKae · 06-06-2008, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by libertarian07

I cuoldn`t help but laugh when I saw this article today on the People`s online daily. China garners broad international support over Tibet riots - People's Daily Online
I urge evryone interested in Chinese affairs to read the outlet of the communist nation, so you can see for yourself how distorted the news is. For example, in this artice China claims the support of such great nations as Syria ,and the Democratic People`s Republic of Korea. Nice going Beijing, we really trust you with those friends. Ahh,the joys of poorly thought out propoganda. Cheers!

1.) China isn't Communist
2.) China's also repairing a lot of damaged bridges in the foreign relations area, and your opinion will only help continue to hinder progress.
3.) They're very much right to support their country. The Tibetans are using terrorist tactics.

THEY ATTACKED A CRIPPLE! Are you honestly gonna sit there and tell me that you support the Tibetans attacking a cripple and calling it protesting!?

4.) Tibet has long been recognized as part of China, and their wish to be an autonomous entity is equivalent to Quebec asking to secede from Canada.
5.)I'm completely on the side of the Chinese.
6.) You have no right to make fun of who their allies are. Not even 20 years ago we funded Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden as our allies. No American can make fun of another country's allies when we ourselves have done stupid things like that.

africanhope · 06-06-2008, 05:17 AM

Although I do not agree with everything TKae is saying, I must agree on the 'making fun of their friends' bit. Just look at the nations the US stands with when not wanting to sign the treaty for The Hague court of Justice, and on the ban on Cluster bombs.

AH

libertarian0507 · 06-06-2008, 09:43 AM

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1.) China isn't Communist
2.) China's also repairing a lot of damaged bridges in the foreign relations area, and your opinion will only help continue to hinder progress.
3.) They're very much right to support their country. The Tibetans are using terrorist tactics.

1. Nowhere in the section you quoted me on did I say China was communist. Although, you have to admit there is only one party, the Communist one. In all actuality they are simply a totalitarian oligarchy and like to claim the ideas of Marxism as thier own creed. They gave it up a long time ago after oh, 30 million or so Chinese died in famine, there's the whole Great proletarian cultural revolution too that left people with a bad taste in their mouths...

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THEY ATTACKED A CRIPPLE! Are you honestly gonna sit there and tell me that you support the Tibetans attacking a cripple and calling it protesting!?

Aren't you confusing something? Also I don't support any violence, but it is a stretch of the imagination to say they are using terrorist tactics.

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4.) Tibet has long been recognized as part of China, and their wish to be an autonomous entity is equivalent to Quebec asking to secede from Canada.
5.)I'm completely on the side of the Chinese.

I disagree. Tibet was autonomous, and were forced under Chinese rule. This shoudl be reversed.

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6.) You have no right to make fun of who their allies are. Not even 20 years ago we funded Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden as our allies. No American can make fun of another country's allies when we ourselves have done stupid things like that.

[/quote] We funded them incorrectly, but under a process of fighting an invasion of soviets into Afghanistan. Differnet paradigm buddy

johnlss · 06-06-2008, 11:02 AM

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1. Nowhere in the section you quoted me on did I say China was communist. Although, you have to admit there is only one party, the Communist one. In all actuality they are simply a totalitarian oligarchy and like to claim the ideas of Marxism as thier own creed. They gave it up a long time ago after oh, 30 million or so Chinese died in famine, there's the whole Great proletarian cultural revolution too that left people with a bad taste in their mouths...

Aren't you confusing something? Also I don't support any violence, but it is a stretch of the imagination to say they are using terrorist tactics.
I disagree. Tibet was autonomous, and were forced under Chinese rule. This shoudl be reversed.

HEHE, YOU ARE WRONG !!!!!!!!!

"All the world under the SKY is belong to Chinese Empire", that is the famous saying of our ancient Chinese Empire.

This logical is applying to US,EUROPE AND AFRICA, ALL THE EARTH.

Why they only talking about Tibet to Be part of China? cos' that is the only part they can control.

also ,be aware is that Mongolia and part of the Russian far east WAS also Chinese territory, also part of Burma and India, why they do not claim it now?

Our great Chinese culture is no need to understand the acurance defination of state or country or territory
We do not even drawing the right maps, without any mathmatic accuracy as the western did and doing.

So, it is almost an impossible task to talk this topic with our chinese about whose ancestors owns how much ,and which parts of this earth.

haidian · 06-06-2008, 11:56 AM

if you dont believe tibet is part of china,go anywhere in this world and buy a world map and check it out,easy and convincing.as for outer mongolia(republic of mongolia) used to be part of china,but now that is not true,since china lost mongolia after the war,the independence of mongolia was the precondition for soviets declaration of war on japan.

Yalta agreement was reached by sacrificing one major ally,china's interest without any chinese representives on the scene.

Yalta agreement:
Yalta Agreement - February 1945