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03-29-2008, 01:32 PM
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Someone better informed than I might be able to answer better but here's my idea about that question:
1. Natural mineral resources. (Don't underestimate that seen the needs of the PRC)
2. Political and stragetical, mostly regarding India, even if the relations are improving today.
3. Face, face and saving more face.
4. The importance of religion in local politics, as for China religion IS politics and... on that one I do agree with them.
5. Don't send the wrong Signal to Taiwan.
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No. 1 is a minor point. In fact, the economical importance of Tibet to China is very minimal. In 2005, the income of Tibet is 1.43 billion Yuan (~USD 200 million), and Beijing has poured in 18.6 billion Yuan (~USD 2.6 billion) to Tibet.
No. 2 is by far the most important issue. Tibet is buffer state between China and India.
No. 3 is important too, but more importantly, the sovereignty of the country is the basis for CCP's rule. If they can't even defend it, they will lose support from the 1.4 billion Chinese people.
No. 4 and 5 are reasonable.
You missed one point, nearly all major rivers in China originate from the Tibet Plateau. The water source is vital to China's development.
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03-29-2008, 01:37 PM
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I read two articles from Austrian newspapers recently:
Tibet und das Elend des Secondhand-Journalismus from Dear Standard
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and Mit Zorn lässt sich die Tibet-Krise nicht lösen from Die Presse
Mit Zorn lässt sich die Tibet-Krise nicht lösen « DiePresse.com
Although I nearly forgot all the German I learned in college, thankfully there is also the google language tool.
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03-30-2008, 06:23 AM
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My wife was not quite happy with my spending time posting on this forum, as she put it: the western people are just as brainwashed as we were, and perhaps even worse, because at least we know we were brainwashed, and you are not going to change them. For the first part, I somewhat agreed, the western people do have access to all the information if they so desired, unfortunately, most are content with what has been fed onto them, and do not bother to question what the media (and the special interest groups behind them) want them to know. For the second part, I am just happy that someone here was willing to see stories from a different angle (even though just skimming through). Thank you for proving my point to my wife 
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Thanks for the time and effort you've put in these last few days. Please tell your wife it was worth while 
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03-30-2008, 08:17 AM
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I read two articles from Austrian newspapers recently:
Tibet und das Elend des Secondhand-Journalismus from Dear Standard
derStandard.at
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Actually thats the article I had in mind when posting innitially I think.
Damn, you speak German? Are you a little language wonder?
I think those two articles are quite a good counterpoint to the rest of the news coverage on this issue here.
What do you think about those two articles? Do you agree with their view?
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just as little information. Der Standard is the left leaning newspaper and Die Presse is the rather conservative one in Austria. I don't think this matters on such a foreign issue like this one though.
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03-30-2008, 01:40 PM
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No. 1 is a minor point. In fact, the economical importance of Tibet to China is very minimal. In 2005, the income of Tibet is 1.43 billion Yuan (~USD 200 million), and Beijing has poured in 18.6 billion Yuan (~USD 2.6 billion) to Tibet.
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Thats not so much the point. The question is, how many potential resources does Tibet have? If you say that there is only little of worth to exploit there, the argument falls. But if there is something one could potentially exploit (iron ore, coal, ... whatever) it stands.
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You missed one point, nearly all major rivers in China originate from the Tibet Plateau. The water source is vital to China's development.
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Very good argument. Perhaps the resource from point number 1 is water 
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03-30-2008, 04:08 PM
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As an Austrian, I know German news coverage pretty well as we get German TV here as well as that some major German papers are widely sold as well.
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I can't believe that I'd forgot you are just next to Germany.
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I think the major point here is that I did not expect that not only the Chinese government is outrageous but also the Chinese about this. After all, Germany is not exactly a huge country or very near to China either.
So, to be honest I am surprised by this intensity of reaction among the Chinese people.
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The thing is the reaction of Chinese people are in fact completely controlled by the goverment through state owned domestic media system, especially student, since people have no alternative source of information, and it seems to be a handy diplomatic tool for the GOV.
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It was the "30 years' war" (between 1618 and 1648), which was not only a religious war, it was a religious war of Christians against Christians and to top it was a German civil war as well. Principally the main opponents were Austria allied with southern German states against the Swedish empire allied with the northern German states. (But most other European powers were involved in one way or another as well, especially France as arch enemy of Austria) It ravaged the German states, great starvations were the consequences. If you look at the statistics of the population development of Europe over the centuries, you can see that war clearly on it as big minus. 1 out of 3 Germans and Czechs died during this war. (in some German states even 2 people out of 3)
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Blackhole emerged from my storage of history, though I am not particularly interested in history. Obviously this is the first time I heard about it, my old impression of today's Germany is a country founded just some 140 years ago, a total blank before that.
Does it make sense that a war fighting for religion seems unlikely to cause people to give up religion?
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...but back to my point. It did not harm the religiousity much in Europe. The atheism and decline in religiosity in Europe is a phenomena of the late 20th century. It might have to do with the philosophy of enlightment, scientific progress and wealth. But I can't tell you why in the US we see a renaissance of religion while in Europe happens the opposite...
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I just remembered that I've stayed with several Americans(all have at least MA degree) for a short period and their attitude toward religion seemed extremely serious which to me as a atheist is pretty much a shock. After that I realized that I would never join them and they would never become atheists neither, and if this situation is about to change, the hope could only be put on posterior generations.
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03-30-2008, 04:20 PM
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P.S. > I like this thread. A lot of good posts that allow us to learn a bit more by looking at different angles of the topic.
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Indeed.
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03-30-2008, 04:30 PM
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I think you're right.
I just forgot about the cold war as nowadays they don't build those iron curtains anymore  ... they replaced them by concrete ones in Palestine.
BTW, what kind of wall is been built between Mechico and its northern neighbour?  Sorry, different subject there.
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And don't forget the military potential of this piece of land, launching at this altitude, a short range missile becomes medium range missle, a medium range missile? easily cover most part of China and India, whoever get it holds the advantage.
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03-30-2008, 04:34 PM
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You missed one point, nearly all major rivers in China originate from the Tibet Plateau. The water source is vital to China's development.
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Oh, great! This could be the single best reason why China would not give it up no matter how great the price is.
Development? Survival I think is more appropriate. My city is already suffering from water shortage now.
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