libertarian0507

source:
Shops, cars torched in Tibet - CNN.com

CNN reports today on riots in the capital of Lhasa. Approximately 1,000 people threw rocks and concrete at security forces and set shops on fire.
The protests began on monday, the anniversary of a failed uprising against the Chinese in 1959.
Maybe they decided that peaceful demonstration is not effective enough against the Chinese. The Question I would like to pose today is: What do you think about China's rule over Tibet,and do you think that Tibet will ever be freed from Chinese rule, or, do you think that Tibet should be freed from Chinese rule? I would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this issue. I take all comers.

Martin

"...the anniversary of a failed uprising against the Chinese in 1959."
That's about 50 years ago. So, no way the Chinese are going to give up the place. Way too late also as nowadays many and I mean: MANY Chinese, pushed by the PRC leadership, have made it their home.
Just ask Israel to return its land to the Arabs. Same thing, apart from what I consider details.

libertarian0507

Interesting way to view the situation I guess. I would like to point out that other countries endured much longer periods of foreign domination, with even greater efforts to wipe out the original culture of a country than than the Chinese in Tibet, for example, the entire Eastern European Bloc, and Korea under the Japanese just to name a couple . Also, regardless of the probability of Tibet's succes in seccesion from the rule of the PRC, do you think it is a worthy cause? And do you think that free and democratic nations have a moral obligation to stand behind Tibet and pressure China to give Tibet thier independence? Do you really think it is right to feel bad for the Chinese who have "made it thier home" while the issue of it being the TIbetans home for the last millenium is ignored? I think that while China calls the issue a "internal affair" I think it is far from an internal affair, one affecting Tibet, formerly and still rightfully a sovereign nation. I think it is time that the world community started to really speak out in defense of the Tibetans, who have suffered so much under their communist oppresors.

World Peace

couldn't have said it better my self.

Luke

I want to puke. These mobs trying to attack shops, supermarkets, automobiles and restaurants shall be all sent to prison according to corresponding laws on robbery, murder and arson. These Dalai Lama gangs secretively funded by foreign governments want to provoke the Chinese government to be tough on them. This kind of silly strategies can only come from western liberals. Well, the phone, internet and cell phone lines of Tibet need to be tightly controlled. Monasteries need to be closely monitored. Another Tibetan Guantalamo can be built, and we should learn from Americans about waterboarding.

Spm150

Wow, commentators hit this one right on.

See "Ethnic Minorities"

This is most likely the result of the Chinese government giving the Dalai Lama the finger for so many years. If I were to make a prediction, seeing as the way things are going, we can expect many more acts of civil violence from the Tibetians should they try to push this approach.

The wikipedia article also has some interesting information on capital punishment and other controversial issues. Nothing relevant to this topic, but still interesting.

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Martin

I'll avoid going into the history of Tibet and the different invasions from different countries during times and having different rulers.
I just state facts as they are today. We all can read about the rest through many articles available on the web.
In a nutshell: I started reading about Tibet after I moved to the PRC and it is my opinion that we should not interfere in what I call a local dispute. Tibet is TODAY not under the same kind of regime like for instance TODAY's Burma or even North Korea is. And the former local rulers of Tibet in earlier times also cannot be compared to today's Dalai Lama. (They also were brutal despots and oppressing their own subjects).
I surely would keep out of it. No need to jump on the Western bandwagon of "exporting democracy". We can see every day in the news how that works! And... we for sure are not that good at democracy in our own countries either.


Bit over the top, that kind of reaction.

BTW, fyi this is 2008 and China no longer is lead by the gang of four! That comment sounds like a voice from the past; Cultural revolution, Red guards et all included.

Luke

I am just expressing my anger over illegal activities. Of course, the responsible individuals have to be judged by law. If Dalai Lama's faction continues to provoke and sabotage by violent activities, some related monasteries shall be shut down due to their relations to terrorism and violence. In the mean time, most of the Tibetan people, especially the older generation, women and men with a real career and work hard to succeed through competition, not just sit in the temples and wait to be fed by doing nothing, will be rewarded.

173grunt

I think this is separate, but what caught my eye was this, Quote: The protesters planned to reach the border for a confrontation with Chinese authorities in time for the opening of the Beijing Olympics in August.

Dharmsala is home to the Tibetan exile government and the Dalai Lama. End Quote.

Bush and the Dalai Lama are suppose to be friends. But Bush might have forgot by now.
But these protesters are going to push China into a situation if they plan on interrupting the Olympics in August.

libertarian0507

Where do you get all your information Luke? From the state-run media of China?? Do you know that they won't let in CNN to independently report on this? That all CNN broadcasts into China about the Tibet issue are being blacked out? You want to know what makes me want to puke Luke? The fact that you can sit there and honestly say to yourself as a human being that erasing a whole culture is acceptable. That trying to destroy a nation for economic and regional hegemony is fine by you. The Dalai Lama, the true leader of the Tibetan People, urges the Tibetans NOT to resort to Violence, he asks for a dialog with Beijing , but the refuse to even aknowlege him as the traditional figure head of Tibetan Buddhism. I am not religious, but I am a humanist, I believe that human culture must be preserved. And the Chinese are trying to destroy the Tibetan culture,as they destroyed thier own so many years ago. It needs to stop. There is no illegality in destroying what is thiers, and Luke, tell all your Chinese firends that Tibet Does Not Belong TO YOU!!! China should not even be there in the first place, so if you just get the hell out, there won't be a problem, will there? When the Chinese have stolen their very country from them, how can you complain when they fight back? According to your philosophy Lulke, it would be OK for the US to take over China, and pretend that it has always been a possesion of the U.S. Hmm, may not be a bad idea. At least it would take care of the rising Chinese menace to the world. Or maybe, China will see the light, and start acting like a responsible member of the world community.