Oh, don't be glad yet, as you did not clear anything up. It proofs Africans do not want unity, AND that Africa is not yetready for unity. These kindof problems will need to be sorted out FIRSt before any talks of unity is possilb,e do you not agree?

AH

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I agree totally with Mr.Mouktar's reasoning as a way to solve the problems of Africa. Any other attempts for peace would be futile and i believe that war is the only way to lasting peace. Happiness is a commodity that is only obtainable through blood

AND HOW DO YOU PLAN TO SORT THESE THINGS OUT BY ASKING people like ROBERT MUGABA,TO PLAY NICE FAT CHANCE OF THAT. The people in power are currupt they only want to increase their own coffers and care very little about the sufferings of the vast majority. happy to clarify.

War is the Only way to lasting peace.

~Mr.Mouktar~

First of all, what did you clairfy, as your reply had nothing to do with unity, youchanged the topis half way through. We were not discussing Mugabe, but unity.

Second, how would I solve the Mugabe problem? It is for the Zimbabweans to solve, not for me. I am nota Zimbabwean. Yes, I want my government to put more pressure on him, and give support for the Zimbabwens, but no outside force would solvethat problem. What do you then propose, sending in a military force to get rid of him? But I do not know why I ask you this question, since you have not answerd many of my questions above, but still seem to think ou are clarifying something. How about some answers there?

Aain, be VERY carefull of generelising. Not ALL African leaders are corrupt, or dictators, or evil. Some are, but not all. And loook at how many African countries got rid of their dictators the last 10 years, on their own, and are now becomming democracies, without forgeign intervention.

Glad to clarify

AH

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“The subject no longer has to be mentioned by name. Someone is sick. Someone else is feeling better now. A friend has just gone back into the hospital. Another has died. The unspoken name, of course, is AIDS.”
“From the point of view of the pharmaceutical industry, the AIDS problem has already been solved. After all, we already have a drug which can be sold at the incredible price of $8, 000 an annual dose, and which has the added virtue of not diminishing the market by actually curing anyone.”

First of all unity has everything to do DRC
and mugabe has to be handled on the inside by the Zimbabwen people who should be helped to achive freedom from coruption and dictatorship (im half congolese on my fathers side) when they arn't capable of doing so because of their curcumstances. and what would you have me do wait and let mugabe decide to play nice when he feels like it while milions of zimbabweans flee to other countries namly SA or face starvation from lack of basic infrastructure. (no sir it is I who is glad to clear things up

If you are glad, you will have to try again, as you arew again ignoring the issue that the civil wars in DRC and Sudan and the tension between Eritrea and Ethopia is proof (not the only proof,but proof) that Africa is not ready for unity. This is the facts, one can not ignore it, and then think it is not so.

And on Zimbawe. what should other nations do? Invade? Ofcourse not. Zimbabwe's citizens should handle this themselves, with support of nations like SA, with SA putting pressure on Mugabe, and cuttinghim of, so he can not oppress his people like that anymore.

An invasion would be a disator, as the Zim people will see it as the strong neighbour comming in (as happend when Ethopia went into Somalia). War and invasion is not the answer.

Millions of people flee Mexico to the US, btw. Panning an invasion there too?

Hope this helps to clear things up

AH

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“The subject no longer has to be mentioned by name. Someone is sick. Someone else is feeling better now. A friend has just gone back into the hospital. Another has died. The unspoken name, of course, is AIDS.”
“From the point of view of the pharmaceutical industry, the AIDS problem has already been solved. After all, we already have a drug which can be sold at the incredible price of $8, 000 an annual dose, and which has the added virtue of not diminishing the market by actually curing anyone.”

If you are glad, you will have to try again, as you arew again ignoring the issue that the civil wars in DRC and Sudan and the tension between Eritrea and Ethopia is proof (not the only proof,but proof) that Africa is not ready for unity. This is the facts, one can not ignore it, and then think it is not so.)
First of all the E and E war is not an example that africa is not ready for unity it an example of inept egotistic "leaders" who care little of advancing the causes of their citizens but of increasing their own personal wealth many times at the expenence of thier respective peoples. Please I am so tired of hearing you say that Africa is not ready for unity because it is the "leaders" of
those countries that don't want peace and stoke the tentions between different groups to pit people angainst each other instead of focusing on the real problem their governments. And another thing the so called civil wars are not civil wars but land ,power and resource grabing and have no basis in a political idology so its not a civil war.

And on Zimbawe. what should other nations do? Invade? Ofcourse not. Zimbabwe's citizens should handle this themselves, with support of nations like SA, with SA putting pressure on Mugabe, and cuttinghim of, so he can not oppress his people like that anymore.
Next what does cuting off Mugabe do to Mugabe, it hurts the Zimbabwean people more than its affecting Mugabe. Oh yah I never said we have other nations invade zimbabwe that would never work. What I said is that we should help the people of zimbabwe to overthrow mugabe who doesnt have their best interests in mind.


An invasion would be a disator, as the Zim people will see it as the strong neighbour comming in (as happend when Ethopia went into Somalia). War and invasion is not the answer.
Lastlyas I have said from the very beginning its going to involve all those millions of zimbabwe's people who hate mugabe thats the only way any sort of real unity can start to take shape. Zimbabwe needs cabable leadership not fools. Always glad to clear things up Africa hope

Well, then you will just have to keep trying. How will cutting Mugabe off, hurt the Zimbabweans? I was not talking of sanctions. I am south African, we know how stupid sanctions are, it made no real difference here when we were under heavy sanctions in the 80's.

I was talking about isolating him, the peerson, not giving him support, or weapons, not giving him any help. Not the people.


And on civil wars and wars. Ah, so it is only the leaders who want to fight. So that is why wars in Africa is solved by boxing matches, the two leaders have a slug out. Do not be redicilous. It is the people who are fighting. Look at Rwanda. It was not the leaders who killed each other. It was not even the military. It was normal people on the streets, butchering their neighbours because they are from another group.

Look at the facts
- Darfur want to break away from Sudan
- Puntland is trying to break away from Somalia
- When given the opertunity in the early 90's, Namibia decided not to join with a new democratic South Africa, but to rather become fully independant
- Seperatist groups in Nigeria.

these are but to name a few. So, you aregetting tired of eharing it? Well then, close your eyes, most Africans do not want a united Africa, and Africa is not yet ready for it. Hell, it seems not even Europe is ready for it, and they are culturally much closer to one another than Africa.

And let's year the nitty gritty of your plan, mmm? What will the language be? Were will the capital be? How will you convincethe strong ecomomies like SA to be combined with non-existing econoies like Zimbabwe and Somalia? Many African countries have almost no infrastructure, so how will you conect this new massive country of yours?


It is not practical, it is not feasible, and it is not wanted.

AH

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“The subject no longer has to be mentioned by name. Someone is sick. Someone else is feeling better now. A friend has just gone back into the hospital. Another has died. The unspoken name, of course, is AIDS.”
“From the point of view of the pharmaceutical industry, the AIDS problem has already been solved. After all, we already have a drug which can be sold at the incredible price of $8, 000 an annual dose, and which has the added virtue of not diminishing the market by actually curing anyone.”