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Old 10-15-2007, 12:35 AM
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100 die in Sudan army attacks: Africa: News: News24


Africa is trying to solve it own problems, and it is difficult as many of you would know, to do peacekeeping missions.

I have said many times before that we do not want the US or EU to do peacekeeping here, we will do it ourselves, but we WILL need help in training soldiers, as there is a huge difference between peacekeeping and fighting.

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america doesnt do that silly. ill tell you what we CAN do, is make africa into a colony.. damn right..

then there wouldnt be need for peace keeping OR fighting..
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Old 10-15-2007, 01:05 AM
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Yeah, we can see how peacefull it is in your other colony, Iraq.

No thanks, we tried the colonial route down here before, didn't work so well

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Old 10-17-2007, 03:04 AM
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Ben ladin gave his blessing on sudans crisis.I think that make it a international matter.Sudan harboured Ben laden till they argued about some difference in Islamic matters and then exiled him.
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Old 10-17-2007, 08:15 AM
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But, it is quite clear that the opposition probably DID get the majority of the votes in the last election, which means they must have strong support amongst te Matabele as well. I have never read or heard of the current crisis being discussed in ethnic terms, except ofcourse the pushing out of white-zZimbabweans
I've read about it as ethnic strife several times, as those two tribes were traditionally in conflict over resources, in fact when Cecil Rhodes started moving up into that area he set them against each other in bloody war.
However, I think that for most people that part is long gone and irrelevant. I think Mugabe and co might still think like that, or maybe not, they don't use it as propaganda or anything. His cronies all seem to be in his tribe, but that may just be because they were the people he knows. The ordinary people I don't think care at all, hence as you said most of his tribe voted for the opposition, because petty tribalism isn't as important as eating, or not being carried away in the middle of the night to be tortured.
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Yeah, we can see how peacefull it is in your other colony, Iraq.

No thanks, we tried the colonial route down here before, didn't work so well

AH
first of all, we're not colonizing iraq.

second, all we've done is good for those people.

third, what we should have done was run an air raide through, say baghdad, key cities in afghanistan, and then deployed our troops.. there'd be less casualties american wise.
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:57 AM
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There’s nothing that can unite a group of people than using the magic medium,religion.All thou I am A white guy in SA I never voted because I believe more in a social type of government.I don’t believe that you will find a black person in SA that hate this rich white people that voted NP and went to the NG church more than me I really hate them.I am one of the 80% that were poor and even now If got no future in my own country because all the fck sht they made.Now they sittng behind they high walls with all they stolen money.
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There’s nothing that can unite a group of people than using the magic medium,religion.All thou I am A white guy in SA I never voted because I believe more in a social type of government.I don’t believe that you will find a black person in SA that hate this rich white people that voted NP and went to the NG church more than me I really hate them.I am one of the 80% that were poor and even now If got no future in my own country because all the fck sht they made.Now they sittng behind they high walls with all they stolen money.
Hi Blue Bret - please look at the African History thread, I referred to elsewhere. AH and I have put it together, I'm sure he'd like to hear what you think - where do you come from?
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Old 10-28-2007, 11:07 AM
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. I think AH knows my profile (we argue most of the times, after more studies that If done I seem to agree more with him) I am also from South Africa. My immediate comment might sound contradictive to my contributed political opinion in the past about this rich white people but it’s not (I just never mention it, I am indifferent with them) All thou this black government in SA is not the hottest things sin’s dishwashing liquid.

Yes, I was reading your African History thread, but I think every situation in history should be studied more in dept with an objective view. Did you know that the Afrikaner never fought a war?
It was the boers we fought the Zulu’s,Xhosa’s,the English (1 and 2 boer war)

But any way’s it made sense when you have to give a total history lecture in less than 5. min.
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Old 10-28-2007, 11:32 AM
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america doesnt do that silly. ill tell you what we CAN do, is make africa into a colony.. damn right..

then there wouldnt be need for peace keeping OR fighting..
Colonialism violates the very foundation of the American political philosophy which is based upon self-determination. Please read the Declaration of Independence as a source for the ideals of American political philosophy.

The US invasion of Iraq, for example, violates all that is ideal in the American political philosphy. Whether Saddam was a "bad guy" or not no nation including the United States had the right to overthrow the government if Iraq. Only the Iraqi people had that "right and duty" if they determined it was in their best interests to do so.


In the same context the US cannot become involved in Africa militarily without violating the fundamental right of self-determination of the people in those nations.
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