Inan’Ta

More of the “you’s” I see. That’s definitely not true, and that’s all I’ve to say about these untenable speculations.


I haven’t changed my mind about foreign funding, nor am I planning on changing my views about it. Your misinterpretation of this topic isn’t my fault.

If you had only opened your rational gap a little bit, then maybe you would have grasped what these two ‘African’ writers were trying to convey about foreign funding. Ha, who knew my opinion was so commanding? Honestly, I’m starting not to care about your overstated opinions lately. They are the same nauseating distorted accusations you always use, particularly when you can’t make our point or when you don’t even have a point to make.

Jordy

Hi I am a newbie here, guess I will throw out my opinion on this, because stumbling here and reading this debate has put me at the point where I can't help but chide in. I am by no means an expert in African studies, but I think that I'm not the only one...

So far I think I am in agreement mostly with Inan'Ta. I think her points have stood much better, and I have yet to see good refutation of alot of these points. I think the west DOES have alot of learn about dealing with other countries and with africa, and although I do not believe China has the perfect policy with trade, I think there IS something to learn from it.

Right now the US and many western countries are offering aid. Food, money, supplies, whatever. I think the main thing is, and maybe I'm an idiot, but money, food, supplies are only a very very temporary solution to the problem. Infrastructure and development is the important thing. Trade based on infrastructure development and building sustainability (China) seems to be a better policy in helping to create a more independent and prosperous africa. Again, I don't think China's policies are perfect, but I think they are on to something.

Jut my opinion, but eh, as I said, I have no idea what I am talking about.

By the way, hello to everyone!

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

Well the article you posited was written by an author whose embarassment for his fellow Africans outweighed his compassion for them. Since you posted two of those articles and asked someone on this thread to stop contributing to African charities you are advocating the same and are coming from a similar point of view: feeling that charity is actually an attack upon the image of Africa. When you place your pride in Africa over the benefit of actual Africans it is a betrayal of all your comments and goals to raise Africa up to an economically and socially developed standard. Hopefully, the author of the article and those who feel the same as he do, would begin to develop some integrity and an interest in the welfare of their fellow Africans.


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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

I am not addressing Inan Ta's macroeconomic and international political arguments. I am addressing his (?) articles that slam people who give charity and Inan's asking someone to stop giving charity to Africa.

Welcome to the forum, BTW.


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Brother Oz

Aid is indeed a temporary solution, but that does not mean it is completely a bad thing. And in recent years, western charities have got to wise and started to give aid in more long term forms, for example supplying farmers with tools and livestock rather than just food.
As to China, the problem is their willingness to work with, and thus shore up the power of, dictators. Most of these dictators have little interest in improving the standard of living of their citizens and so the money just goes to their own cronies. The result then is of resources leaving the country, with little or no recompense to the ordinary person.
Nevertheless, the primary external problems towards Africa are not from China. The things that the West should do most for Africa are twofold: firstly, drop the massive trade barriers of the EU, the US and Japan, which make it ridiculously difficult for African countries to export at a fair price, and secondly, stop using the IMF to force African countries to privatise public services and drop its own trade barriers.

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Ape of the Prairie

I believe direct aid to the government is not a good option becouse, as Inan`Ta said, it would just cripple the will of the state to progress economically. So partly I agree with Inan.
On the other hand, how is Africa going to evolve if not without education and foreign help.. we have seen what it is like if warlords or dictators rule the country. In my opinion, and many people in this topic have said the same so my words aren't new, foreign help should be addressed to the education of the population by constructing schools and social buildings. Only that way the young generation, the future of Africa, can be educated since education brings the tools to rule a country. Without educated officers, teachers, politicians and economists a country will never evolve. There is a study (I don't remember the name so it's really hard for me to search for proof, you only have my word) that states that the education of young woman has been noticed to be more helpfull to the population that any other things. It lowers the numbers of AIDS victims, helps families to control their economy and gives a normal African a larger view of the world.

So as Aegis is helping a young man in Uganda to finish his education, Aegis is helping Uganda for the future providing another well educated potential leader to Uganda's people. The money goes directly to him and not through the government which (I really am not familiarized with African history and current leaders so this is my own understanding of the situtation) usually takes a large cut to his pockets.

rob_anderson

"There is no African, myself included, who does not appreciate the help of the wider world, but we do question whether aid is genuine or given in the spirit of affirming one's cultural superiority. My mood is dampened every time I attend a benefit whose host runs through a litany of African disasters before presenting a (usually) wealthy, white person, who often proceeds to list the things he or she has done for the poor, starving Africans."

Don't worry, I don't give a dime to third world charities to affirm my cultural superiority or for any other reason. I guess I could have stopped at I don't give a dime to third world charities.

Interestingly, I would like to point out that this article actually indicates just how deeply engrained anti-white hatred is among many non-whites all over the world. This should drive home the point to stupid liberal white bleeding hearts just what these people you care so much about actually think about you. How many times does this article point out, in negative terms, the race of the donors to these causes as being white people? Not rich people, not people from developed countries, no as members of the white race.

Time to wake up stupid whitey. You don't owe anyone anything, because this is the thanks you'll get. Save your money for your own kids college fund, they will need it since they probably won't get a scholarship because they are the wrong color.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

rob_anderson says "wake up, stupid whitey." I wonder if that is what they say at the Stormfront White Nationalist community. I think he has many pre-conceived ideas about race before coming onto this thread.


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Inan’Ta

Come ‘on, you’ve been relentlessly annoying me because you don’t like the articles I’ve posted and a single comment I have made to Aegis, who doesn’t seem to care much about that comment himself

Besides, they aren’t my articles, and I’ve already stated that I’m not concerned about personal charity, but rather foreign funding, which I’ve addressed.

Aegis

[quote=Inan’Ta;62330]I do care about your comment and disagree with your philosophy of charity but I also support your right to believe what and as you choose.