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08-07-2007, 07:30 PM
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Africa is composed of Africans. So helping an African is helping Africa. Also, like I mentioned earlier, that is one less poor child for Africa to spend welfare on. Africa is over-populated.
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Adopting an African child doesn’t help Africa at all. There’re thousands of Africans which leave Africa each year, and sadly Africa hasn’t changed one bit! I told you already Africa doesn’t spend an adequate amount of money on its poor, thanks to corrupted regimes which get foreign aid.
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That's a pretty arrogant thing to say. It matches with the disdain you have for good works though. At least you are being consistent.
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It’s the truth. It’s immature to comment on something you know nothing about.
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Right, because people who are starving and dying of disease (especially children) are lazy. That's your argument.
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Every three seconds an African child dies and all the aid Africa is receiving isn’t stopping those children from dying! Those children are dying because their parents, government and people have failed them. Those are the ‘lazy’ people, thanks to aid!
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No, I don't believe that at all. I think that any African who is asking him or herself those questions should not take out their self-esteem issues on good meaning people.
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I am asking you those questions, because I certainly don’t want Africa to rely on aid till it reaches self-destruction. Sooner or later Africa needs to stop receiving millions of $$ in aid, because they pay double that amount because of dept. You apparently don’t care about Africans or Africa.
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08-07-2007, 07:38 PM
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I did not mean that in a legal sense I meant it in terms of what Africa has done for the rest of the world as opposed to what the rest of the world has done for iit such as mining copper which is essential to everything we do nowadays. You debated with people like Aegis who gives out personal donations so I got that kind of impression.
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I haven’t debated with Aegis at all, except saying two words to him. And I won’t call that debating.
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08-07-2007, 07:41 PM
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If I remember correctly Aegis made a comment that was uncalled for. “If Africa doesn't want or need my meager financial assistance “let me know” and I won't send it.”
What do you want me to say, “Ooh, no aegis, don’t do that, please”. Aegis wanted to “ know” if Africa wanted his “meager financial assistance” and I told him to keep it. He had the option of heeding my comment or ignoring it. He doesn’t have the right to call me callous because my opinion differs from his neither do you. 
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I made that comment and stand by it. If someone who is an official representative of African interests were to tell me to stop sending money to the child that I sponsor in Uganda, then I would do so. But no responsible official would do that because the poor in Africa depend on the goodwill of nations like the US. I'm determined that this child will get an education and a chance at a successful life which will benefit Uganda.
I called you callous because you are. Thankfully you don't represent Africa, only your own irresponsible opinion. I hope that you never need the assistance of someone like me but if you do that assistance will be there.
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08-07-2007, 08:16 PM
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I made that comment and stand by it. If someone who is an official representative of African interests were to tell me to stop sending money to the child that I sponsor in Uganda, then I would do so. But no responsible official would do that because the poor in Africa depend on the goodwill of nations like the US. I'm determined that this child will get an education and a chance at a successful life which will benefit Uganda..
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Africa today doesn’t have any official representatives. Africa is represented by corrupted warlords, dictators and regimes, which the West finically supports and aids. And the fact that you generalize Africa shows your ignorance about that continent! Well, i hope that child gets the education he needs.
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I called you callous because you are. Thankfully you don't represent Africa, only your own irresponsible opinion. I hope that you never need the assistance of someone like me but if you do that assistance will be there
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That’s called name calling. People who don’t know how to express their opinion in an intellectual method result to name calling.
I don't have the intention on relying on people. One thing I will never need is your assistance. So, don’t hold your breathe. 
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08-07-2007, 08:28 PM
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[quote=Inan’Ta;59962].
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Africa is represented by corrupted warlords, dictators and regimes, which the West finically supports and aids
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Keep thinking those positive thoughts.
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Well, i hope that child gets the education he needs.
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No thanks to people like you.
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That’s called name calling
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No, it's called being painfully honest.
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I don't have the intention on relying on people
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Then plan on quite a lonely and empty life.
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08-07-2007, 09:47 PM
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Keep thinking those positive thoughts.
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It's called reality.
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No thanks to people like you.
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Lol, I’m a Somali. Do you know what that means when it comes to helping my own people? Approximately one million Somalis send US$1 billion back home every year. So easy there!!!
Ever heard of Somali Money Transmitters Association?
“The Somali money remittance business has its own special characteristics. The country is one of the poorest in the world and for many years has suffered from internal conflict. There is no stable and functioning government in Somalia and no formal banking system.
These factors have led to large scale emigration. It is estimated that there are about nine million Somalis of whom around one million live abroad (although some estimates put the figure much higher). The historical migration of Somalis outside the Horn of Africa is highly inter-related to the development of money transfer arrangements, starting from Franco Valuta system, to High Frequency Radio services, to the current branded Somali remittance companies.
It follows that remittances are very high and make a substantial contribution to the income of the country. It is estimated that 90% of foreign exchange earnings come from remittances, that two thirds of the urban population rely on remittances and 80% of startup capital for businesses comes from remittances. In 2005 total remittances were estimated at between $750 and $1 billion.”
Somali Money Transmitters Association - SOMTA :: Policy Papers › The Somali Money Remittance Business
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No, it's called being painfully honest.
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Lord! I should be blessed for having the patience to endure the opinions of people whose brains function on idiocy.
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Then plan on quite a lonely and empty life.
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Ha, there’s a difference between depending on people and living your life.

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08-08-2007, 01:05 AM
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I get upset when aid gets used to buy power. What I mean is, the way China 'gives' aid to corrupt regimes to get good trade agreements, or the US threatening to cut aid for nation who sign the agreement on the International court in The Hague. It just sometimes seem that aid is given with one hand, but more is taken by the other hand, through debt payment and the unfair trade situation.
And by the way, it is much more than copper, most of the worlds platinum, also very important, and a large part of the uranium and iron forsteel also comes from Africa.
Again, aid to docter the symptoms is good,but there should beguarded that countries do not fall reliant on aid. In terms I would understand, I am a social worker. Someone come to me, they have no money for shelter or food for their family. We help them get the governments grants for this, but at the sametime training etc. is done so they will get a job, so they can take care of these things themselves, so that they will not need the governments help. It should be the same with aid, and often, gladly, it is.
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08-08-2007, 01:20 AM
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I see, you like to make ridiculous assumptions to refute one’s argument. I’ve stated several times that Africa can’t rely on aid. Aid is crippling African societies, governments, and economy. No one has so far mentioned race or pride other than you, and that speaks volume. 
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The hypocrisy of your comment is plainly evident. You have made an argument here: that people who do good-deeds like giving to charity should be looked down upon. I find it utterly dishonest that you won't own up to your comments now that you've made them. Your comments show that you that you think that Africa's pride is more important than the lives of its people. You say that from the position of someone who will not lose their life from a withdrawal of aid, so you are sacrificing OTHER people's lives for your pride, which is quite disgusting.
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If you can’t contribute to this thread without the use of groundless speculations, then what’s the point of commenting?
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If you can't honestly own up to your own political comments then you are the one who should not bother to post. Given the content of what you are saying here, even if you did take responsibility for what you are saying, it's so vile in it's nature you've definitely defeated the discussion of the real issues that you now try to slip into the thread.
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If I remember correctly Aegis made a comment that was uncalled for. “If Africa doesn't want or need my meager financial assistance “let me know” and I won't send it.”
What do you want me to say, “Ooh, no aegis, don’t do that, please”. Aegis wanted to “ know” if Africa wanted his “meager financial assistance” and I told him to keep it. He had the option of heeding my comment or ignoring it. He doesn’t have the right to call me callous because my opinion differs from his neither do you. 
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You posted two articles that mock people who are doing charitable work for Africa, and then you tell someone who does contribute aid on this forum not to. You don't care that your provocations might cost some person their food or medicine. That's the definition of callous.
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08-08-2007, 01:35 AM
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Adopting an African child doesn’t help Africa at all. There’re thousands of Africans which leave Africa each year, and sadly Africa hasn’t changed one bit! I told you already Africa doesn’t spend an adequate amount of money on its poor, thanks to corrupted regimes which get foreign aid.
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You say that because you place no value on the individual African life. Each life saved in Africa is important and each life is precious.
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It’s the truth. It’s immature to comment on something you know nothing about.
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That's a lesson one can easily infer from reading your comments. I don't see why you complain when I point out: It matches with the disdain you have for good works though and you reply "it's the truth." So we are in agreement that you despise charity (which you are not receiving).
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Every three seconds an African child dies and all the aid Africa is receiving isn’t stopping those children from dying! Those children are dying because their parents, government and people have failed them. Those are the ‘lazy’ people, thanks to aid!
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Wow, the victims of starvation and disease are "lazy."  So I guess they are so lazy that they would rather die than get a job? That makes no sense. People would obviously rather work than die, no matter how lazy they are.
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I am asking you those questions, because I certainly don’t want Africa to rely on aid till it reaches self-destruction. Sooner or later Africa needs to stop receiving millions of $$ in aid, because they pay double that amount because of dept. You apparently don’t care about Africans or Africa.
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I'm not the one taking the food out of Africans mouths like yourself. You come on here and discourage people from donating aid to Africa, accuse dying Africans of being "lazy" and then you have the nerve to say other people don't care about Africa? How twisted and disgusting.
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08-08-2007, 04:33 PM
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You say that because you place no value on the individual African life. Each life saved in Africa is important and each life is precious.
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I say that because today Africa doesn’t pay much attention to its poor. Besides, it’s not up to me to place any value on any individual.
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That's a lesson one can easily infer from reading your comments. I don't see why you complain when I point out: It matches with the disdain you have for good works though and you reply "it's the truth." So we are in agreement that you despise charity (which you are not receiving).
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Yes, especially when that person lacks reading comprehension. When I said that is the truth, I was commenting on the part where you said “That's a pretty arrogant thing to say”, and “I said it’s the truth”. So, no, we don’t agree at all. Money or the lack of money is the problem that Africans can overcome by using some of the abundant precious metals which can be minted into a single AU currency as legal tender. This can provide comprehensive development across the continent while improving and increasing intra-Africa trade. Trade and development is the only route to prosperity in Africa. Equal development across the continent is a desired goal that can be reached when Africa can control and regulate its OWN money supply, rather than being subjected to foreign funding. It’s as simple as that. There’s a different between foreign funding and charity. My concern is about foreign funding, not charity.
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Wow, the victims of starvation and disease are "lazy." So I guess they are so lazy that they would rather die than get a job? That makes no sense. People would obviously rather work than die, no matter how lazy they are.
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Is the government a victim of starvation? Or is EVERY African a victim of starvation, HIV/AIDs, and poverty and needs continuous help till the end of time?
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I'm not the one taking the food out of Africans mouths like yourself. You come on here and discourage people from donating aid to Africa, accuse dying Africans of being "lazy" and then you have the nerve to say other people don't care about Africa? How twisted and disgusting.
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What? Ha? Honestly, the only thing you’ve so far commented on was “ME”. You’re post is filled with the word “you”. Do concentrate on the topic in hand.
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