africanhope

Because of our current (unhealthy) situation where the ruling party has 65% of the vote, it is very clear that the ANC will once more quite easily win the election in 2009.

The situation is that President Thabo Mbeki is now in his second term, and can not therefor stand for a third, even if some elements in the ANC is looking to change the law, something I do not forsee happening.

The ANC has annoucend that it will appoint his succesor at it National Congress at the end of this year. Our own primaries you can say.

Currently there are 3 strong candidates, even if, as the ANC culture dictates, none of these have clearly tated that they will be seeking the top job.

Here is the simple Wikipedia biographies of the three candidates, namely Jacob Zuma, Cyril Ramaphosa and Tokyo Sexwale.

There are ofcourse a couple of peoplewith outside changes, but I won;'t go into those.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Sexwale

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Ramaphosa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Zuma

I am not a member of the ANC, not do I vote for them, but it is important,m as one of these will be our president.

Out of these 3 I am quite certain I do not want Jacob Zuma, for some quite obvious reasons.

Out of the other 2, from my political standpoint, I think I will prefer Ramaphosa.

Anyhow, some comments will be apreciated.

AH

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bluebret

We are lucky its not Chris Hani(read his profile),he was very popular in his time third after NM

bluebret

I will go for a zulu.I think this is where the trouble will start you cant just have Xhosas for president.Where in Africa ist there ethnic problems

ThePryingDutchman

Ramaphosa does seem to be a good guy. Started a trade union, negotiator, strategist, contributed to the end of apartheid.

Tokyo Sexwale has the cooler name, though.

Are there any ideological differences within the ANC, AH? Or is this just about personality?

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Brother Oz

Zuma was the one who was accused of rape, correct?

Out of interest, what are the other main parties in the SA parliament (or whatever you call it)?

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africanhope

Ramaphosa, Bluebret, is a Venda, he is the guy I would most like to see in charge, well, from the ANC in any rate.

The other parties, Oz, is, in size:

Democratic Alliance, they just apointed anew leader, Helen Zille
Independent Democrats - Patricia de Lille
African Christian Democratic Party
Inkatha Freedom Party - Zulu nationalists
Freedom Front + - Afrikaner Nationalists
Pan Africanist Congress - Pan African, black power party


These are the main ones, MANY parties in the election tho

AH

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“The subject no longer has to be mentioned by name. Someone is sick. Someone else is feeling better now. A friend has just gone back into the hospital. Another has died. The unspoken name, of course, is AIDS.”
“From the point of view of the pharmaceutical industry, the AIDS problem has already been solved. After all, we already have a drug which can be sold at the incredible price of $8, 000 an annual dose, and which has the added virtue of not diminishing the market by actually curing anyone.”

bluebret

Before 1994 and at that time where all citizen were allowed to voted(first vote cast for blacks).They all simply agree on one thing and that was to eliminate the apartheid regime(some ten different ethnic groups with Xhosa at 17% of tot population and Zulu's with 25% of tot population).But 12 years later I think that the ideology had chanced,now.Ethnic identity will be the next diversity to over come(havent seen that in Africa yet).The definition for a democrat in SA is not the same as in other countries(In SA it means that you dont agree with the present government that are ANC but you dont what them to know that you are a patriot nationalist
all right wing ,national parties are “disband” and who ever voted for the apartheid system can be found or are dead,no body what to associate them selfs with the past apartheid government.The white people are treated the same as the Germans were after ww2,we are the dogs of the world and in the shadow of human rights we suffer,get murdered,robbed and stripped.The younger white dont what to speak Afrikaans(the hated language of apartheid and are ashame to be white)This you call white guild.It work well all over the world to integrate black and whites.But we are different.We boere people 476 woman ,children,men and old people beat 12 000 zulu impies at bloed river.We beat the English many time.We will also not loose this one.

bluebret

Freedom Front + - Afrikaner Nationalists
that represent the "Afrikaner white people are only enjouing 4% vote against the goverment with 65%,now this will tell you that white people got no real say in dark Africa.The democratic party admitted that they share the same view as the ANC but only do things different now you can at a nother 30% to the 65%.We the whites are a dot on a map.

africanhope

When did the DA (I guesthat is what you mean with Democratic Party) say they share the same views? Do you read the papers, or watch parlament? And do you follow the happenings in the Cape Town City Counsil? These two parties NEVER agree. This is one of my problems with the DA, it does not matter what the ANC says, the DA automatically disagrees!

And as far as I know the only right wing party that was disbanded was the NP, and good ridance to them. The others, the CP, HNP, and FF+ is still around. The first two boycott elections, not that we would notice if they did take part - the HNP could never even win one seat in the days of apartheid, don't think they'll manage anything now!

And where do you get your facts about young people being ashamend to speak Afrikaans? I study at an Afrikaans University, where the young people are quite happy to speak Afrikaans. I do cultural work at schools, where the kids are quite happy to speak Afrikaans. And how do you explain the whole 'De La Rey' phenomenon, if young people are ashamend to speak Afrikaans????

AH

PS. I posted this reply before, but it disapeard!

AH

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“From the point of view of the pharmaceutical industry, the AIDS problem has already been solved. After all, we already have a drug which can be sold at the incredible price of $8, 000 an annual dose, and which has the added virtue of not diminishing the market by actually curing anyone.”

Futurewise2007

Bluebret, you say that the younger generation of Afrikaans spekaing people is afraid to speak Afrikaans. Well, since I am an Afrikaner and speaking Afrikaans I will only say to you. I will never ever speak another language in my own country other than Afrikaans. Should it be required that i must speak English, like now that other people can understand me: then I will do it so. I have read in the newspaper some time ago that three schools in Kwa-Zulu Natal (Zulu speaking schools) have decided that they are going to teach Afrikaans to their kids, because they admire the fact that we are trying to learn their language as well.

But let's back to the first topic of this thread: Who will lead SA from 2009? Africanhope: all three are very good strong candidates for the presidency. I personally wants to see Mr Tokyo Sexwale becomes the new leader of the ANC and of our country. The reason: He has a strong economical values; something we needs if we still wants our economy to grow, investments to come in from overseas. He also has strong leadership skills, which we will still needs due to the fact that our country democracy is still weak.

Ramaphosa is also a good choice, but I see him as a weak link in the Alliance of Cosatu.