White refugee status - Page 2 - Political Forum

africanhope · 05-22-2007, 03:29 AM

It is not true indeed. Yes, we have something called farm murders. But they are not killed for their land, how exactly do you do this? I can kill for your purse, but for your land? Not quite possible is it. We have a crime problem. One of them is farm murders. Most farmers are white, so most farm murders are against white people )although it is rarely reported, their (black) workers are also sometimes killed). There is also a huge crime problem in the old black areas, where as it is mostly black South Africans living there, it is mostly black South Africans that get killed there. Crime in this country, is noit racist. It does not discriminate. But, in my mind anyway, since most of the moeny is still in white hands, then the white would be on the receiving end of crime a lot?

And I can not say the women is lying when she says she fled out of fear for her life. But I know most South Africans don't fear for theri lifes. Again, I state theat when it comes to economics and rights, the whites too are better of now than before 1994. Except for Afrimative Action (called BEE, or Black Economic Empowerment), which I have said on this forum before is not handeld corrrectly by government, there is no, absolutly no discrimination against white people in South Africa. And it defnitly is not true that white people are treatd in the way black people were before 1994. That, for a fact, is not true.

Yes, there are black racists, as there are white racists, that make things a bit more difficult than they need to be, but them you get in any country in the world.

I stay with the act - it is rubish. White people are not being pushed out of this country. (also, the millions of white people that remain in SA, is all this not true)

bluebret · 05-26-2007, 03:12 PM

Ok,Africahope I will take some time off and study refugee status for a month or two and then we can have a look over all the definitions like I said before refugee status is granted not by sentiment but by definitions and I think the whites fall in the middle of all refugee definitions.Any way what did I thought off...you not commenting on this post

africanhope · 05-27-2007, 05:46 AM

Oh, you do not have to spend months doing that, Blue, hee you go:

Quote:

Who is a refugee?

International law defines a "refugee" as a person who has fled from and/or cannot return to their country due to a well-founded fear of persecution, including war or civil conflict.

A refugee is a person who "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country…"

Article 1, The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees

The most important parts of the refugee definition are:

* Refugees have to be outside their country of origin;
* The reason for their flight has to be a fear of persecution;
* The fear of persecution has to be well-founded i.e. they have to have experienced persecution or be likely to experience it if they return;
* The persecution has to result from one or more of the 5 grounds listed in the definition;
* They have to be unwilling or unable to seek the protection of their country.

This is from UNHCR in the UK - Public Information

Now, whites are not presecuted in SA. they can vote, have all the rights of all other citizens in SA. There are white members of parlament, the leader of the opposition is a white lady with the name iif Helen Zille, who is also mayor of our second most important cuty, and one of our capitols, Cape Town. There are white ministers and deputy ministers in cabinet. I study at university, where almost half of the students are white.

There is no way that white South Africans, who, and yes, I will repeat this, have all the rights other citizens have, and more rights than in the days of white rule, can be seen as refugees. And there is a US court ruling of this as well, so there you go.

AH

bluebret · 06-08-2007, 01:12 PM

I understand you now AH
1.You are capabile of selling no just ice but ice scream and even a couple of ice machines to the Eskimo's,you probably meant that most people in south Africa do fear for they lives.
2.all so notice that you live in a up market live with mo0st probably a up market job,you and only 20% of people in SA, what about the rest.
3.Believe me we suffer now.
4.It getting commen under the poor white for the woman to go out and “work” the husband look other way,as long as the money comes in.
5.There are places where there is between 40 and 80 white people living in one house.
6.Hundreds of white people leave they jobs or get fired though,Black economic empowerment,Affirmative action,intimidation,white hate ,white guild.
7.All this songs that the blacks sing is racial motivated(killing whites,killing boere,we dont understand they language its just nice songs.

africanhope · 06-09-2007, 12:16 PM

PROOF BLUE!!! Please, give me proof of what you are saying. And can I give you the proof of how many South Africans are living in poverty. Much more blacks than whites, by the way.

and, uhm, no, no upmarket job for me I am afraid Blue, I am a Social Worker
I work with the poor, of all colours, not seen 80 people living in one house yet, please give me the details, we would love to help them.

And yes, 20% live a welath lifestyle, there are less than 20% whites in SA, but most of that 20% is made up of whites, soooooo.....

AH

ThePryingDutchman · 06-09-2007, 12:48 PM

Suppose this is off topic. But just for clarification: bluebret, are you from South Africa?

btw: too bad there's little or no attention at all for African politics in the Dutch media.

bluebret · 06-10-2007, 05:48 AM

Yes I do live in SA.AH you all ways mis understand my arguments.I think it sound commen to you but I do spent some 160hour on political forums.I am not your ave hatefull person that say any thing things must make sense for my self as well.I us to a very great liberal but things are not the same any more.

africanhope · 06-10-2007, 06:29 AM

Then prove it!!! And clarify your arguments, if I am not understanding it.

Futurewise2007 · 06-15-2007, 01:04 AM

Hey Bluebret: first of all, the reason why Africanhope cannot understand your argument is the fact that is not supported with hard facts. You claim there are 40 till 80 people of white people living in one house. Where did you get that information? Give me proof! Scientific, hard fact proof!

Also, you claim that if we whites always supporting the new cause, that we have money to support them, then that is false. I am currenly jobless in this country, BUT that not stop me from living my dream. I was for one year overseas, and what i saw there is the same problems. Crime, poverty, education and health issues, car crashes, political problems. There is saying :"The grass is not always greener on the other side"! The international media is watching us to ay there we go likethe rest of Africa. That's why we are always under scrunity.

White people who leave their jobs is that they cannot stand to work for a black person or work with a black person. That is mostly the older generation. We, the newer generation are willingly to work.