Hello, I am Zhayne. I am quite interested in world politics and establishing governments that could better suit their people's interests. Governments that are highly democratic and situated on the foundation provided for the people by the people.



The following image displays the ideal federal system for the country of South Africa. I establish each state by the language most dominant in each municipality in South Africa as seen in the following map:



My intention is to not establish any apartheid like environment, since I highly oppose apartheidism and I don't associate white Afrikaners as the only Afrikaners in South Africa. My belief is that all people that speak Afrikaner, born in that dominant Afrikaans speaking part of South Africa, and were considerably exposed to Afrikaner culture are Afrikaners, regardless of skin color. Therefore, under those conditions I see no reason why the state of Volkstaat shouldn't exist if it was simply a state associated to the language and culture of Afrikaners rather than as a mere "white-state in Africa."

The province of Capetown that I had designed was made for either two purposes.

1) The situated English-Speaking zone that is highly commercial for trade with Britain and other English-speaking countries. By doing this the remainder of South Africa can flourish from the profit of trade made from Capetown province with the rest of world. It will also limit the influence the industrialization in South Africa, allowing tribes and wildlife to remain undisturbed for until it chooses to be disturbed.

2) As a comical note I made this province in the case of the return of Apartheidism that South African blacks can simply agree to put all apartheid supporters in Cape Town, while the rest of South Africa can belong to its less racially-radical inhabitants. Sort of what you would do with putting all George Bush supporters in Texas and the let the rest be own by its less conservative-radical inhabitants. To be honest this whole part is just a joke but it is pointed against Apartheidism and racism, which I despise greatly.

Guateng is a federal district made to encompass my propose sole capital of South Africa, Pretoria. Guateng encompasses municipalities that have diverse majority language use and cannot be situated into any of the other states established. Therefore, it has to be situated into a state or territory of its own. I prefer it be a federal district that allows each county to instruct its own principle language with English as a secondary language.

The rest are states with equal representation in the National Council of Provinces of my proposal. I consider language very important to the establishment of a state or even a country. After all there are less disputes in a country where everyone speaks the same language. Moreover, since there is such a diversity in South Africa, one can only formulate a true federal government with the composition above. Otherwise, you dividing people of into artificial zones rather than ones that encompass actual factors.

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The Upper House Parliament should consist of the following format:

3 Senators elected by popular election from each federal state for six year terms on a division of two years apart. That means each three years, one third are up for re-election.

3 Senator elected by legislative election from each federal state for six years terms of a division of two years apart..

Capetown as a province rather than as a state will consist of two senators popular elected for a six year term on a division of three years apart and two senator elected by the legislation of that province for a six year term that occur on similar timescale as the popular elections.

The Guateng Federal District will consist of two senators, one elected by popular election and another that occurs three years after by the legislation.

There are nine states, one commercial province, and one federal district, which will allow there to be 60 senators in all.

I would consider that a Vice-President should be assigned as the "Temporary" President of the Council as an election is processed to elect the President of the Council, which cannot be a current member of the Council. The acting President's job is the insure a tie-breaking-vote in the case that there a split tie between two or three contenders for President of the Upper House of Parliament. The Vice President's role will continue on as being the substitute President of the Council in any case that the current President is removed, killed, or abdicated.

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The Lower House of South Africa's Parliament is the National Assembly. The current National Assembly can only encompass up to 400 members. However, in my proposal I would expect there to be a representative for every 100,000 with an additional one representative for the remainder. This representation would be positioned in each state, province, and district to not include people for one representative that live in two or more regions.

If South Africa's population should continue to grow in the future and expand to over 100,000,000 then it would be ideal to situate the representation at half a million rather than a tenth.
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South Africa's president should be popularly elected with its nominations approved by a major porportion of National Assembly (2/3rds approval). The Vice Presidents should be appointed by the President after his election and approved by the Council with the National Assembly acting as the tie-breaking-vote.

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South Africa should consider having its Judicial Branch popularly and regionally elected with the Chief Justice elected by the whole of South Africa and his or her subordinants elected by each of the nine federal states and an additional justice elected by both Capetown province and the Gauteng Federal District. The president has the right to appoint lesser justices that can be use as advisors and substitutes for the superior justices. This will insure and an even more independent Judicial System for South Africa that is also highly democratic.

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If you have any concerns or disagreements, I'll do my best to address them and work them out.

If you dislike the name Volkstaat and perfer a more colorful name that can associate more towards all Africaner speaking people rather than highlighting the "racially termed" association, then give me a name and I'll consider using it instead if I can agree with it.

Hi Zhayne,

Welcome to the forum. If you don't mind my asking, are you white or black? It's kind of a blunt question, but I'm curious.


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My guess from what I see would be white, as this 'solution' is often found under some white nationalist groups. I say solution in brackets, since there is no real problem that this 'solution' tries to solve.

1. SA has a semi-federalist system. I would like to see it more federal, with more powers to the existing 9 provinces, but nothing, NOTHING like what you propose.

There are so many problems with what you say, it is scary. One major one is that for many years now SA can no longer be devided on these racial lines. For instance, there are more Zulu's in Gauteng than any other nation, but it is not part of KwaZulu. Your nothern Sotho province have many nations in it apart form the Nothern Sotho's. Cape Town is traditionaly the most liberal city in SA, so why gove it to the apartheid types? ANd you decide who lives where? So if you are a Xhosa living in your Volkstaat, they just have to move, since it is not their province???? That is just rubish.

We have a wonderfully democratic system, we have a great constitiontion, we are one of few African countries that does not struggle with triblism, and your system will create tribalism. This kind of system does not work in Africa, if you want proof, just look at Nigeria!! I do not undestand why you want these changes.

No wait, I do, I think, apart from your denails, this is indeed an atempt to bring back apartheid. This is Verwoerd's plan, just deguised in a federal coat.


I, as the majority of South Africans, will reject this plan. The only support you will find is maybe King Goodwil Swelitini, and he is a political joke, and the Freedom Front +, whose racist undertones shine through very often.

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To put into perspective for non-South African posters.

The term Volkstaat (Nation's state) is a nae given to Afrikaner nationalists to a country that they want to create where only Afrikaners are allowed to live. They believe in ths dream so much, that they have even bought a little town, named it Orania, and now only whites are allowed to live and work there.This is the clue to our posters political background.

What is is suggesting, is like saying, ok, all Latin Maricans MUST go and live in New-Mexico and FLorida. Al NAtive Maricans MUST go and live in Nevada and Ohio. All African Americans MUSt go and live in Michican, etc. etc. etc. And work your federal system like that, where cultural groups must live certain states, but you are stil a Union on those grounds.

See my problem with this?

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I'm mixed to say the truth. I am equally part Spanish, Italian, Irish, Ghanian African American, Cherokee Native American, Jewish Polish, Jewish Russian, and English. The only part of me that can be considered white by the majority of white people is my English background that can be traced down to deceased British Monarchs.

Ghanian as in from Ghana, an African Kingdom that had existed durring the Middle Ages and a current African Country off of West Africa.

Not at all. Most would just establish a predominantly white community. I'm establishing a predominantly language bound community rather than one that is white. I don't support white ideas and white propaganda, but I do support language regionalism.


Well I'm sorry that you feel that way.

I'm dividing it base on language, not race. Get your facts straight before you accuse me blindly of something that isn't true. And if you do support federalism, then why aren't you the one making this map?


This is because of the map shown you of the dominant languages in each municipality. Guateng is cheaply divided into poorly selectably communities that would create exclave districts circled amongst other exclave communities of other states. Would that be a wise decision to make?



Northern Sotho makes the dominant language use in that area. If other communities do exist then they should consider making secondary or even a third use language for those individiual communities. Or perhaps divide the state off into semi-states to be distinquish off from areas that by far most concentrated by the Northern Sotho language.

I was using language as a term with English, not race. I don't believe English is a race and the second line on what I said about Capetown was a joke. Anyways I was implying that there should be a commercial province to increase economic growth without endangering wildlife by expanding industrialization into further areas of South Africa. But I guess you didn't have a chance to read by entire post or were you just planning to attack straight on, because you dislike everything?

And I was also situating that Capetown would be a comercial province. A province that would be allowed the greatest extent of capitalistic trade, while the rest can be situated on democratic socialism like Sweden.

I am a descendent of royalty from many different kingdoms. Therefore it is my blood to act as an autocrat. Also, I am permitted as the next prophet of god to establish the roots leading to a united earth sphere republic by the year of 2100. So that the Zhori (extraterrestrals and angels seen in the holy bible like Gabriel (a Zhori) and Michael (another Zhori)), when they come, don't plan to make these divisions for you. Wouldn't it be better than have a fellow human make these adjustments rather than an extraterrestrial race that could very well exterminate you if you prove to be a burden?

If you don't believe in them, then wait for 2012, because that's when they'll be here. Since their Empress has demanded that they stay out of Human domestic affairs until 2012, which is the deadline for how long the Zhori can tolerate human stupidity. They are waiting for us to evolve into an enlightened race like themselves, but they are frustrated about dumb we truly are. The Zhori are grey skinned and can vary between absolute black and absolute white, similar to a human. There population is well beyond a trillion and they control this entire quadrant of the Universe, expanding well beyond Andromeda Galaxy (their home galaxy) to well beyond the Milky Way Galaxy (our galaxy).

And I'll say this again, so that you can get the racist ideology out of your damn head. Humans regardless of being white, black, brown, red, green, blue, purple, polkadotted, and whatever are one race of beings as the Zhori often enough have said. And humans regardless of their skin color are equally as stupid, disturbing, and disappointing. And they consider us to be VERY disturbing, disappointing, and stupid. The reason why they consider us to be very stupid is because of people like you to continue to have this ridiculous charade of politics that NEVER works and always leads regional disputes.

Nope not at all. Remember this isn't a racially implied state. This is a language situated state. The Xhosa could easily just learn Africaner like the rest of the majority of inhabitants in that area, which are black Africaner-speaking people.

People often enough move if they need to find a job. Why do Mexicans move into the United States? Why do they not stay where they are? If there were jobs offered in KwaXhosa, then why not move there if you plan on finding a job? That what I don't understand about your terminology. Why be so upset about moving to a different region if you are trying to find a job? I'm not talking about racism or some other crap, I'm talking about finding jobs and having those jobs available.

No it won't. There is no manner of how it would establish tribalism and South Africa is just a union of countries. GET THAT!? It is a union of countries like Russia. Its not really one country, but many that put together under a single colony in Southern Africa, which became South Africa.

I don't know why you think of such lunacy. But Britain sure did mess up South Africa.

Nigeria has a dictorial president and a majority rule over its minorities. It was also a colony established by European people and not established by African unity.

Oh shut up. I hate apartheidism, don't you get that? Well quite obviously you don't. In my original post, I had said that I will not support apartheidism, but I will support regionalism base on language. If you divide people off by any other means, it will lead to struggle and concern. Don't you get that?

And no I don't support Vewwoerd, I support the Zhori, which are even more black than any African in Africa. What do you think the darkest of grey is? It's black. Humans can only have the darkest of brown, which isn't black. But the Zhori have actual black people. The Zhori have use such a system for their own highly culturally diverse people and they say it works. Since they are the angels of god as they have pointed out with them being from heaven and being the ones that told Abraham of his unexpected son.

Stop making a damn fool of yourself and bring up some details of concern that I can actually use to make revisions. Otherwise, get your damn self out of my thread. Contrary to what you may believe, I do like disagreements with other people. Because it helps apply corrections. But I will not support your attitude, ya nut.

To bad YOU ain't the majority of South Africa. You are just one person with a racist grudge towards everyone regardless of them being white or black that doesn't accept your way of thinking. You are no different than George Bush.

And besides this the internet. How the hell are you going to prove that you are from South Africa on the damn internet? And why bring up such a tidbit if there is nothing to back it up with?

How many times will I have to tell you. This is base off of language and not skin color, you dumb idiot.

It sounds like you are 3/4 white.

In the new Volkstaat state, what would be the racial makeup of that state? What percentage white/black?

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I don't think you should judge people like that. It's very racist.

I guess you didn't know that Native Americans, Spanish, Italians, Irish, and Jews were never affiliated as white by white people. Why would you call them white if white people won't?


There would probably be about 70 to 80 percent black and the rest white, Asian and Mixed. I'm guessing it be base on how many people there are in that area that are currently under those degrees.

By the way, white and black people are both part of the same race, Sapiens.

Me and you are sapiens regardless of our skin color.

As I have said I don't support racism. I support language regionalism. The map shown above is about the language most use in each municipality.

Language is very important for country to administer its laws. I mean how are you going to tell a Zulu about a law written in English, if that Zulu can't speak nor read english? I think he or she has the right to read and understand the laws without an interpretter. Get what I'm saying?

Hehehehehe. I did find it hilarious, and will answer some of your remarks - I do not need to make a map, there is one, it is called themap of the REpublick of South Africa, it has nine provinces. There is my map.

About Nigeria. It does not have a dictator, it has democratic elections. And I was refering to the civil wars it had, and the tribalism that is rife in it's federal system, which is build on the lines you propose.

Can you explain to me why we need regions, provinces, states, whatever you want to call it, on language lines? I just do not get the idea, the reason, and would love for you to explain it to me.

We do not currently have a language problem, and except for a few people, not many are complaning about having their languages discriminated against. (and by the way, the language is called Afikaans, no Africaner, and it's called aparthed, not apartheidism).

And lastly, sorry sir, but my country is a very democratic one, which believes in the freedom of speech. And thisforum is run by an American, a people who also believe in the freedom of speech. So no, I will not get out of your thread, as it is my right to 'be' here.

I eagerly await your answer to my question.

AH

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Actually, we do refer to them as White.

Anyhow, your skin colour is irrelevant I agree. And your idea does seem to be based on languages, which is a good idea. But as was pointed out, people don't live in these simple language areas, they're spread all around.
As far as I can tell, SA doesn't have big problems with language groups fighting each other. So I don't really see the point.

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How is that racist? You told him your racial background and he put it the form of a fraction based on the data you gave him.


Sorry I couldn't find the Zhori dictionary.

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