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02-13-2007, 02:54 PM
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But what will you do with that money? Presumably spend it in your country. There's never anything to fear from foreign investment.
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02-14-2007, 03:52 AM
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In the short term, but the money the company spend in the country is now being reduced, as a lot of it will be taken ou. Also, it has been seen before that local emplyees tend to be replaced by Chinese emplyess over time. So in the short term it seems like investment, but in the long term....
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02-14-2007, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois
It's interesting. I've made a lot of friends in the US, known a lot of people and taught a lot students. None of them ever imported any slaves. I never owned any slaves either. I've made some contributions to African causes though. I assume most Chinese have not. So both of us never owned slaves, I donated money, the Chinese didn't and yet according to your logic, a Chinese has no moral high ground over me, doesn't contribute money like I do, but I'm stingy and they are not?  |
Colonial robbings from Europeans and then Americans, together with the slave labor in American south, has contributed heavily to the wealth accumulation for European and American capitalism development. Your family inheritances and national resources are directly or indirectly from the blood and tears of African people. You donating money to Africans is paying back the blood debt for your ancestors and your national founding fathers and redeeming their sins and crimes. |
02-14-2007, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by africanhope
I fear that we are seeing two of the worst things in Africa's history, happening again, and this time at the same time:
1. A new coloniszing force
2. Africa once more becomming the 'battlefield' in a new cold war
Lastly, Luke, if China is so concerned with the people of Africa, why are you building palaces for presidents in places like Namibia and Sudan, and not houses for the poor in those same countries????????
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If it is purely financial aid, we don't interfere with how African governments are going to spend it. It is their decision to choose what to build. If they do bad things and destroy the interests of the majority of the population, they will suffer from great instability or civil war.
African countries shall have their own ways to be more confident about themselves. In their ways toward success, they have to walk every step independently by their own. Political or racial disputes, or some human right abuses are just the tuition that they have to pay. No pain, no gain; no war, no peace. If they are just shackled by European colonists and doctrinated by American cultural colonists, they have never, and can hardly in the future find any "African Solutions" that are truely suitable for them.
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02-14-2007, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by francois60
That is probably because of their interference of Chinese domestic issues like Tiananmen Incident.
Most of the Eastern bloc nations changed government before Tianamen. China condemned it becuase China up until very recently believed in spreading revolution.
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That is part of the Utopian idealism in Mao's times. Also, I think most of Eastern European changed after Tiananmen in June, 1989. |
02-14-2007, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Luke
If it is purely financial aid, we don't interfere with how African governments are going to spend it. It is their decision to choose what to build. If they do bad things and destroy the interests of the majority of the population, they will suffer from great instability or civil war.
African countries shall have their own ways to be more confident about themselves. In their ways toward success, they have to walk every step independently by their own. Political or racial disputes, or some human right abuses are just the tuition that they have to pay. No pain, no gain; no war, no peace. If they are just shackled by European colonists and doctrinated by American cultural colonists, they have never, and can hardly in the future find any "African Solutions" that are truely suitable for them.
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I agree any ideology must come from within and there's always a cost, but that's far less expensive and less traumatic than attempting to shed an imposed, non-workable ideology to get there.
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02-14-2007, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by africanhope
Yeah, not hey are content in trying to maintain their own revolution.
Anyway, I have been turned into a bit of a hypocryt today - my father phoned me to tell me that an offer have been made on our family bussiness (been in the family for a while) by a Chinese group.
They also already have some government contracts (which we have been steadily losing due to the governments Black Economic Empowerment program). My father says the 'stockholders' (our name for family members) are seriously considering it. So it seems I might be coming into some money thanks to Chinese inroads into Africa.
What is a man to do???
(BTW, I still say we have to be carefull of China)
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02-15-2007, 01:41 AM
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Nope Luke, you've got it wrong. They are not giving money to African states, and say - "spend it as you want" They are building these palaces, they are offering it ot these people, and only in countries where it is certain the government will be in power for some time. So the question remains, why are you building palaces for the rich, and not houses for the poor?
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“From the point of view of the pharmaceutical industry, the AIDS problem has already been solved. After all, we already have a drug which can be sold at the incredible price of $8, 000 an annual dose, and which has the added virtue of not diminishing the market by actually curing anyone.”
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02-15-2007, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by africanhope
Nope Luke, you've got it wrong. They are not giving money to African states, and say - "spend it as you want" They are building these palaces, they are offering it ot these people, and only in countries where it is certain the government will be in power for some time. So the question remains, why are you building palaces for the rich, and not houses for the poor?
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Are the poor capable of facilitating foreign investment requirements? This is for profit business, not a humanitarian effort. It's up to the government to redistribute or not redistribute wealth.
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02-17-2007, 06:08 AM
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But would it not be prudent to sure up the people's lives; it would give the country an appearance of a stable country?
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