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Old 02-12-2007, 09:43 AM   #61 (permalink)
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We have no "Chinese Model" to promote. We believe every country shall has its own models. We respect each African country as an independent unity, and we don't impose our own ideas on others.


This must be a new policy. The Chinese government condemned the changes in government of European countries in the former Warsaw Pact and refused to establish diplomatic relations with them for some time.
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Old 02-12-2007, 12:30 PM   #62 (permalink)
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So, since the US did immoral actions in the past, then immoral actions should be perpetuated ad infinitum?

A million wrongs make one right?
I don't consider it the past when one looks at our support of Saud, Israeli and Iraq Shia policy.
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Old 02-12-2007, 08:54 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Huh? When I compare things, both things being compared usually exist at the same time. I guess I got a little bit confused when you started justifying China's present and future actions based upon what the UK did 70 years ago.

You've changed your argument. You dropped the "stingy" argument. What happened to that one? Is the West stingy or not?

I guess however little China gives, and however much the West gives, it somehow works out that China is generous and the West is stingy.

Western are still stingy. Because compared with what western countries have robbed from Africa in the past, the aids to African countries from the west is still trivial.

China have never robbed any thing from Africa, or sold African people as slaves, so despite the fact Chinese aids are less than the aids from western countries, China is not stingy. Also bear in mind that which developing country except China has ever giving a lot of aids to other countries???
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Old 02-12-2007, 08:59 PM   #64 (permalink)
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We have no "Chinese Model" to promote. We believe every country shall has its own models. We respect each African country as an independent unity, and we don't impose our own ideas on others.


This must be a new policy. The Chinese government condemned the changes in government of European countries in the former Warsaw Pact and refused to establish diplomatic relations with them for some time.
That is probably because of their interference of Chinese domestic issues like Tiananmen Incident.
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Hey WEB. YEs, whites is about 10%. little more actualy, more like 15%, and then we have a people that is called the Colourds (their name for themselves) which is a mixed race between whites, blacks and the Malay slaves that was brought in. There is a rather large Indian population, and then the smaller ones like the San (Bushmen), Arabian, Jewish, etc. etc. etc.
Thanks. Didn't know that.
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I don't consider it the past when one looks at our support of Saud, Israeli and Iraq Shia policy.
Oh, so you do believe two wrongs make a right, so long as the wrongs are committed at approximately the same time. It seems that with some minor tweaking on when an action is committed, you are basically fine with corrupt dictators and regimes who commit genocide.
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Western are still stingy. Because compared with what western countries have robbed from Africa in the past, the aids to African countries from the west is still trivial.

China have never robbed any thing from Africa, or sold African people as slaves, so despite the fact Chinese aids are less than the aids from western countries, China is not stingy.
It's interesting. I've made a lot of friends in the US, known a lot of people and taught a lot students. None of them ever imported any slaves. I never owned any slaves either. I've made some contributions to African causes though. I assume most Chinese have not. So both of us never owned slaves, I donated money, the Chinese didn't and yet according to your logic, a Chinese has no moral high ground over me, doesn't contribute money like I do, but I'm stingy and they are not?

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Also bear in mind that which developing country except China has ever giving a lot of aids to other countries???
I would bear it in mind, if you will tell me how much Chinese aid has been given to Africa.
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I fear that we are seeing two of the worst things in Africa's history, happening again, and this time at the same time:

1. A new coloniszing force
2. Africa once more becomming the 'battlefield' in a new cold war


Lastly, Luke, if China is so concerned with the people of Africa, why are you building palaces for presidents in places like Namibia and Sudan, and not houses for the poor in those same countries????????
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That is probably because of their interference of Chinese domestic issues like Tiananmen Incident.

Most of the Eastern bloc nations changed government before Tianamen. China condemned it becuase China up until very recently believed in spreading revolution.
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Yeah, not hey are content in trying to maintain their own revolution.


Anyway, I have been turned into a bit of a hypocryt today - my father phoned me to tell me that an offer have been made on our family bussiness (been in the family for a while) by a Chinese group.

They also already have some government contracts (which we have been steadily losing due to the governments Black Economic Empowerment program). My father says the 'stockholders' (our name for family members) are seriously considering it. So it seems I might be coming into some money thanks to Chinese inroads into Africa.


What is a man to do???


(BTW, I still say we have to be carefull of China)
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