China and Dem Rep of Congo sign $5 Billion dollar development deal. - Page 2 - Political Forum

Luke · #11 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by africanhope

Non-interference? Did you actually say that china's policy is one of non-interference? REally? Giving andselling weapons to Robert Mugabe's now illegal government in Zimbabwe is thus, according to you, not interfering in a country's internal affairs?

AH

They have to pay for them. We don't give free lunch.

Luke · #12 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by janpor

This is the biggest crap I heard about this subject.
The Chinese motto in Africa is: don't ask questions as long we get natural resources. They don't ask standars like f.e. transparancy.
So the Chinese built infrastructure projects in Sudan, but if Sudan sells oil it earns money...on wich do you think they are spending it...do you know where Darfur is located?!
Do you think the common Sudanese people have become wealthier because of the Chinese intervention? They absolutly didn't!
If China (it are state companies) builds project like this they also bring their own (Chinese) workers! So don't adress the local population, that is left unemployed.
As you know China is mostly an export orientated country, a lot of African products (clothing, shoes,are more expensive than Chinese products, what hurted local businesses a lot.

We don't know any of Sudan's culture, history, language and social psychology, so we remain modest and stay out of commenting any political agendas inside their own government. Arrogant westerners love to decide what is good for others according to their own standards, which we never do. If Sudan government wants to do the business, we will do it, as long as it satisfy all legal requirements. If Antigovernment institutes want to do the business, we will do it as well, as long as it satisfy all legal requirements.

If African exports are more expensive than Chinese exports, they either have better quality, or they have to think themselves on how to reduce the costs. We don't force them to do anything, and we don't dictate them to do anything. We always trust the African countries' own decisions. We don't care about European countries' decisions for African countries, either.

africanhope · #13 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 02:36 AM

1 st of all,payingfor them or not, it remains interference.
2nd, I am truly wondering what they used to pay for them? there is almost no forgeing valuta in Zim, the economy is gone, the exchange rates are soething horrible, zim can not even pay forthe electricity Sa gives to them, so what did they use to pay for those guns? And the chinese soldiers who are in zim, are they payngfor them too?

AH

GlobalSmiles · #14 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke

We don't know any of Sudan's culture, history, language and social psychology, so we remain modest and stay out of commenting any political agendas inside their own government. Arrogant westerners love to decide what is good for others according to their own standards, which we never do. If Sudan government wants to do the business, we will do it, as long as it satisfy all legal requirements. If Antigovernment institutes want to do the business, we will do it as well, as long as it satisfy all legal requirements.

If African exports are more expensive than Chinese exports, they either have better quality, or they have to think themselves on how to reduce the costs. We don't force them to do anything, and we don't dictate them to do anything. We always trust the African countries' own decisions. We don't care about European countries' decisions for African countries, either.

This attitude is exactly th attitude American Corporations get so much crap for in areas like these. You just keep on doing this stuff, if you think international opinion doesn't mean anything well I think you and China are in for a pretty big surprise.