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Old 05-09-2008, 12:40 PM
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Has anyone ever proposed simply having the People of Darfur stop their revolt against the Sudanese government?
Only small militias were revolting. Most of the people affected by the genocide are women, children and men who have nothing to do with the conflict but the socially embedded belief of their ethnicity.
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If this is about oil, then China is the main corporate. Of course you left this out.
No one funds the Janjaweed except the Sudanese government. Don't tell me you actually believe their denial of funds? THE JINJAWEEDS ARE SUPPORTED BY SUDANESE AIRCRAFTS FOR CRYING OUTLOUD.
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They are originally funded by France and the US. Makes you wonder how do people get Sudan in the picture. It reminds of how the US funded the mujahedeen and then later fight them.

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Darfurians only wanted part of the oil revenue to go towards their area. The Sudanese government has failed them, the Chinese government has failed them and the UN has failed them (largely thanks to Chinese vetoes). I would call for a different clientel too if I was them. Does that mean it's the cause of the conflict? Not in the least. Sudan is responsible for it starting and China is responsible for it continuing.
U.S. urges Sudan to stop hostilities - Sudan - MSNBC.com

I thought these darfurians are living in these tent settlements. Makes you wonder who gave these guys get the weapons and the ways to travel to attack Khartoum. Obviously something is missing here.
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They are originally funded by France and the US. Makes you wonder how do people get Sudan in the picture. It reminds of how the US funded the mujahedeen and then later fight them.
You're kidding right? Did you even read your own article?

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"In 1999-2000, faced with threats of insurgencies in Western and Northern Darfur, Khartoum’s [aka the capital of Sudan's centralized government] security armed the Janjaweed forces. When the insurgency escalated in February 2003, spearheaded by the Sudan Liberation Movement, and the Justice and Equality Movement, the Sudanese Government responded by using the Janjaweed as its main counter-insurgency force. Protracting the forces to attack and recover the rebel held areas of Darfur, the Janjaweed conducted a scorched earth campaign of mass atrocity targeting civilians in the region of Darfur. As of October, 2007, only the United States' government has declared the Janjaweed killings in Darfur to be genocide, since they have killed an estimated 200,000-400,000 civilians in the last three years.[7][8] The U.S. State Department and others in 2004 named leading Janjaweed commanders including Musa Hilal as suspected genocide criminals. The UN Security Council called for the Janjaweed to be disarmed.

By early 2006, many Janjaweed had been absorbed into the Sudan Armed Forces including the Popular Defence Forces and Border Guards."
However did the Sudanese government get into the picture
There's no denying that the Sudanese government is sponsering them, by arming them, supporting them with Sudanese aircrafts and absorbing them in their army. The US/French fundings weren't to commit genocide but to overthrow the Chadanese government, the Sudanese government has funded them to commit genocide.
Blatant ignorance on negative well-accepted facts against his/her state, the first sign of chauvinism, and the essential ingredient that is the de-education element of an authoritarian state. Am I ever glad I can still think for myself.

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I thought these darfurians are living in these tent settlements. Makes you wonder who gave these guys get the weapons and the ways to travel to attack Khartoum. Obviously something is missing here.
In any genocide, coalition groups have been formed, what's your point?
What's that something missing? Only thing missing is your acknowledgment of your ignorance.
I actually despised the UN for not doing enough in terms of intervention (but we all know China is behind that), especially after what happened in Rwanda.
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If I had any money, I would donate funds for the Darfur coalition, anything to stop the atrocities propagated by the Sudanese government backed by the CCP.
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