Slartibartfas

The wealthy get murderd because they are wealthy, the poor in the worst districts get killed because they live in most dangerous districts.

Are you sure that farmers get significantly more killed than the inhabitants of the worst districts?

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shirty

The high crime rate makes SA too dangerous a place to raise a family. Until that is brought under control, your best and brightest will keep leaving and SA will never recover.

Perhaps you should move here to Australia? I can walk to the local shop at 1 am without any worries. It's great.

africanhope

HJust for therecord - I have n ever been the victim of crime in SA, I have been in the UK and France.

But okay, the Farm murders, yes it is very high, but is it because the farmers are white? Or is it because they are soft targets? If it was directed against whites why are the towns not so bad? Most whites live in the cities and towns. That is because homes in towns are more secure, you have neighbours close by etc. etc. etc. Farms are easiers targets, so the rate on farms are higher.

WEB. Yeah, the white populations i10% and dropping. I was agreeing with you, and disagreeing with Super, trying to porrf that we are still in some way democratic, as whites have a higher rate of representation in the current system, because that is what the people want.

Just one more remark. What I was trying to show was my extreme sadness. We are seeing our country dying due to many reasons. I love SA. A lot. I do not want to leave, but I feel like I have no choice. And it is not only the crime, as you can see in my OP.

I am not only angry at government, but at the people who keeps voting for these idiots out of loyalty. And Slarti and WEB. The government has 66% of the votes. It will take a loooooong time for enough people to turn against them, and by then it will be too late.

Our people are dying and our people are just accepting it. Our country is dying, and government does not even talk about it. We are in trouble. I want to do my bt to make this country work, but all of the people (ALL) must work together in one unified society if we are going to make this work.

AH

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Ghostdog

I look at your post as a bad case of being in denial. Look at all the
years that Blacks was captured as slaves. I do not approve murder,
but you speak about White farmers, and do you realize that payback
is a Muther?

Reviewing this thread it seems like whites is defending whites, but
what about the wrong doing in Rwanda? The United Nations so-
called white peacekeepers went into Rwanda during the genocide,
and they ONLY rescued whites from being killed in the conflict.
However, the French and the British was behind the genocide, but
the Western world was quick to say the genocide was Black on
Black crime.

Yeah it was but with the financing of the white man. So today
the tables has been turned on White farmers who took the land
from tribes and others, and now in your statement you are trying
to blame the deaths on who?.....The Black Africans?

I believe that Blacks in the Motherland should stand up to fight
for what belongs to them. Also, I can't understand why Whites
deny that they originated from Africa? Yet racist remarks is made
about Blacks being shipped back to Africa.

In closing, I believe that if Blacks can accept whites in their
Countries, as well as here in American they are all in our neighbor
hoods. Whites should be able to do the same for Blacks. So Africa
isn't a bad (but poor) country, and there is a movement to reclaim
Africa.

These propagenda so-called bullshit programs like FEED THE
CHILDREN programs that Americans have in Africa is nothing, but
a front to continue to try to control Africa's Natural Resources,
and what I can't figure out is why feed another country, and here
throughout America Children is dying without food.

I see nobody is reviewing the situation from that viewpoint I
just mentioned.

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africanhope

I have no problems with 'buy-back' programs and things like these to make sure that Black South Africans can farm. If you look at my list of things I am worried about, this is not mentioned. One that I did forget to put in is the very slow service delivery to the poor, btw. The issues I emntion is not race related, all South Africans suffer under this. So please show me where I defended the white African?

Murder is wrong, no matter who the victim si, no matter who the killer is, no matter the motive, murderis wrong.

AH

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Martin

@Africanhope:
"Er is hoop Johanna" en ik hoop dat je niet te vlug wanhoopt.

But I do agree that the problem is very serious. As it is in Euroland also, for different reasons but including "kak"reasons.
Although, USA-like society will not be the solution. Africa might get better solutions in the East, meaning East of Chennai, btw.
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Let's look at two key facts from your source:

OK, since there is about 2 years of overlay there, let's say that in 6 years less than 1000 white farmers have been killed. In New York City, that's about how many people get murdered every year. Doesn't seem like the Bosnia/Nazi Germany situation that dude was making it out to be.

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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

Seems racism hurts both blacks and whites in rural South Africa.

South Africa: Racism Plagues Response to Rural Crime (Human Rights Watch, 22-8-2001)
The White South Africans stole the land and the aboriginal Africans want it back.

However, there could also be an additional factor here. It seems that the employees (who one would be assume to be black) are getting abused too.


Regardless of who you think is right or wrong here, this is just one particular class of people who are under attack. This situation does not say anything about representing a cross-section of any significant portion of the whites in South Africa.

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africanhope

I feel I must make this clear once more. the issues i've highlightd is not racial issues. I do not think we struggle because of a blak government. I do believe culture plays a role, in so far as the extreme loyalty we find in African is hampering us. But this too is not racial, as the Afrikaners kept voting for hte old National party government out of the same misplaced loyalty.

My overwelming feeling is not anger or hopelesness, it is extreme sadness.

Everyone in this country is suffering, white, black, coloured, indian. No one is excempt for the troubles we suffer.

AH

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“From the point of view of the pharmaceutical industry, the AIDS problem has already been solved. After all, we already have a drug which can be sold at the incredible price of $8, 000 an annual dose, and which has the added virtue of not diminishing the market by actually curing anyone.”