shirty

discoman:

That doesn't mean whites who were born in South Africa should be
punished simply for their skin colour.

Can you honestly look at a white South African child and say "sorry, you deserve to be shot/beaten/robbed/raped" ?

You need to bear in mind that a large amount of wealth is generated by the white community in South Africa, as a result, white businesses employ plenty of black workers and raise everyone's standard of living.

If SA kicked out the whites, the economy would completely collapse for 2 reasons:

1. There are not enough highly educated blacks to replace them
2. White countries (USA, UK, etc) would not do anywhere near as much business with SA... which would hammer the economy further.

People like Ian Smith were not as out numbered as you think. The birth rates of blacks shot up when the whites offered them better food and heath care. In many areas, the blacks simply out-bred the whites.

Darkseid

Absolutely true.

The money lies in the white world. The success of the black man lies in the white world. Like it or not, white people have already placed themselves as the supreme race even if they truly aren't on a biological scale. But history and their effort to put themselves there has succeeded and will remain that way until the black man can rise to the occassion.

If you are part of the black community, I would consider that you take advantage of my advice. Now here is some facts. Language has a lot to due with genetics. We develop our language by our habits which are programmed to our mind by our genes. The reason why black people tend to do worst in their prosperity, is because of their tendency to do bad in examinations. This is because of the fact that the English language is difficult for black people to learn, because it is not their language. This is true about why pure blooded Irish people do bad in learning English and other immigrants. So the same is true with pure blacks and those that are part English will do better than those that aren't. So if you want to succeed in a white world dominated by a white language, I'd consider that you mate with a white woman or man.


OR the alternative... study genetics. Find the gene responsible for language, splice out the one from a test sample of an English professor, make a harmlous virus from it, and tap that into your water supplies.

Russell Mallon

Newcapeland

A new country designed and created as the result of the ongoing Genocide, committed against not only the Afrikaans and the white ethnic minority cultures living in South Africa, but also the colourdes, certain African and Indian minorities.

Is this new country in South Africa?

No, indeed not. South Africa can no longer be recognised by civilised people. It has been destroyed by its current communist government, their followers and financial backers. South Africa now belongs to those who murder and rape. South Africa is a country that is governed and controlled by draconian communistic concepts that serve no real long term value, other than to achieve its vision and goal of Genocide.

They even try to camouflage their acts of Communism and Genocide in the form of crime, using the well known and deceitful art of political correctness. They then blame apartheid and racism to fuel this aim.

If Newcapeland is not in South Africa, then where is it?

It is situated in the Western Cape. Think of Zimbabwe. That hell hole is apparently an independent country; located on the African continent. It is not considered to be South Africa nor South African. Can you see the picture?

Newcapeland is a newly created country that is also on the African continent. Its border line stretches along the shoreline from Lamberts Bay round to and including Port Elizabeth and despatch. If you then draw a straight line between the two, then that would be an approximation of the claimed territory.

Is this not illegal?

Defending against the ongoing Genocide of white ethnic culture is not illegal.

When does this begin?

It has already begun. But we need to agree on “Newcapeland” as the proposed name for this new country.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

Oh the white genocide thing again, eh? Yeah, well somebody stepped on my shoe the other day. I said STEPPED ON MY SHOE. Obviously, this is genocide against me and I should get my own country. I'm not asking for much, just a 10,000 square acre piece of land carved out of sovereign US territory to be made my own country with me as monarch. It's the least we can do when such genocidal shoe-trampling is involved.


WEB

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africanhope

No, you need the people living htere to agree foirst, not the name. But don't hold your breath as... or on the other hnd, maybe you should hold your breath.

There are so many inacuracies in that post, it iis difficult to know where to begin. But lets take the obviousone. The ANC is communist? Now that is strange - the the government wwith one of the most neo-liberal economic policies in the world is communist. The privitised most of the state owned firms, brought understate ownership by the 'enemy of communism' the NAtional Party government, who was much closer to being a Commuinist government than the current one.

If you and likeminded people want to secede from SA, hell, go ahead, but don't think you could take the most beautifull, and one of our economically most important regions (and, by the way, traditionally the most left wing pert of the country). No, go join your brohters in arms in the Volkstaat, in Orania, in the desert.

AH

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“From the point of view of the pharmaceutical industry, the AIDS problem has already been solved. After all, we already have a drug which can be sold at the incredible price of $8, 000 an annual dose, and which has the added virtue of not diminishing the market by actually curing anyone.”

Boer

Hmmmm, I note some Afrikaner ideology! Typical Broederbond (Brotherhood) attitude.

Russel, nobody's gonna go to some Newcapewhatever! And the Volkstaat in Orania (africanhope) is a private venture (the Mulders from Potch, remember?)

Historically there are two sovereign countries within South Africa and they belong to a certain people, neighboring each other and proclaimed by a treaty with Great Brittain (Vrede van Vereeniging).

Referring here to the Republics of Transvaal and Orange Free State.

Those countries where first (with British trickery) sighned away to become part of a "Union of South Africa", then were further nullified to form part of 'n Republic of South Africa, to be (again) signed away by the Brotherhood (FW de Klerk - the so-called Afrikaner) to the commies (lackeys of GB).

South Africa can be ruled by who-or whatever, those two Republics will eventually regain their freedom and rule over themselves ... by hook or by crook.

Come back here in a lifetime and confirm that it happened.

And you okes that goes on about the "white genocide thing ", wake up! It's not the Boere thats getting hurt, it's those "creme-de-at" Brothers thats getting punshed on the nose. Same thing as in Zim. Not the whites thats there for the love of the country, but those that (was) there for the love of money.

They have sold out nations, trampled on peoples ... let them get what they deserve.

Run baby run!

Oh yeah, and remember, if a blck oke sees a white oke, it is sort of impossible to tell if it's a Boer or an Afrikaner - so yes, a couple of Boere has been mistaken as Afrikaners ...

africanhope

Wow. Again, I must ask you for the difference between an Afrikaner and a Boer. For instance, what would make, in your definition, that De Klerk is not a Boer? Also, it is not quitetrue that the ANc is communist is it? Not with one of the most neo-liberal economic policies (GEAR) in the world. And are you inplying that Great Brittain is still an enemy of the Boer? So please draw these lines for me then - you claim the ANC is sommunist, yet they are at the same time the lackys of Britian, who has spend a lot of time and energy fighting the communists, so exactly how do you pu these together then?

A last qustion, should the mayority not decide a country's future? Yousay in your intropost the Boers areeven a minority within the Afrikaner group. So themayority tehen was for theunion, was it not? (A union that was good for the whites) The mayority voted for the end of apartheid in the referendum, did they not? It is clear that the mayority of the people living in the 5 northern provinces that used to form part of the old Republics do not want to become two independent countries again.

So why will they rise up, as you say?

AH

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“The subject no longer has to be mentioned by name. Someone is sick. Someone else is feeling better now. A friend has just gone back into the hospital. Another has died. The unspoken name, of course, is AIDS.”
“From the point of view of the pharmaceutical industry, the AIDS problem has already been solved. After all, we already have a drug which can be sold at the incredible price of $8, 000 an annual dose, and which has the added virtue of not diminishing the market by actually curing anyone.”

Boer

AH, I'll start by replying on your last Q.

If you see "by hook or by crook" as an indication of uprising, you should make an effort to first study the Boer culture ...

The difference between Boer and Afrikaner I have answered on the other thread - to your satisfaction I hope.

Regarding De Klerk, it is he himself that distanced himself from beiing a Boer and thus the Q should be put to him and to any/all Afrikaners themselves. Now take a Boer like the renowned Genl de Wet. He made no issue about beiing a Boer and at the same time an Afrikaner.

The ANC Q. You (as South African) should surely know about the tri-partheid alliance between the SA Communist Part, Cosatu (communist) and the ANC. So what is your question?

We all (I think) know that Britian has hosted the ANC during all those years that the "apartheid" scam was beiing used to turn the world against SA. We all (I think) also know that Britian was a MAJOR supporter of the ANC (regarding funds) througout all those years. And, we all (I think) know who it is getting the most from South African minerals. Britain never worried about supporting the commies to take over SA because deals where made man ... hehe

Majority majority yeah. Now look at how this "majority" come to be.

If you are the Power and you would like to take control over a piece of land but not do it in a way that would result in a public outcry, what do you do? You make a big noise about 1. Human Rights, 2. Democracy, 3. Majority Rule and then, you load your wagon full of supporters, trek them to the "new location", become the majority and ..... RULE.

If you would go to the trouble of making a study og the history in SA, you would note that all en every tribe (volk) had it's own "country". The Xhosa had (and still have)Transkei, the Sothos had (and still have) Lesotho, the Venda had (and still have (Vendaland) and so forth.
For Britian the two Boer republics was the ultimate prize (even since the ABW). They could not beat the Boers in a fair fight so what next?

The joke is gonna be on the British because Mbeki (the lackey) is already ousted by a true South African (Zuma) and if you could have talks with the true black tribes of South Africa, you might be surprised to learn that there is a respect for the Boer, and no respect for the forked tongue Afrikaner-type.

Ja wel, that is my humble oppinion.

Oh yeah, the 5 northern provinces. I think that by now the majority there should be the Zimmies ... fleeing a country destructed (indirectly) by the Brits. The same old story all over again.

Wicked bunch, and very clever. But making a huge mistake with Africa.

AH, in what way was the Union good for the whites? Right after half of the white population were murdered by the British, their homes burned and their livestock killed? Where there any alternatives? You would obviously not know.

africanhope

It seems a hisotiry esson is needed hereindeed. The union was not formed directly after thewar, and was never the aim of the war. So themurder of the women and children, has nothing to do with the union, now does it? The union gave the Afrikaner much more political rights than it had,and extendedits say to the old British colonies. Then the more conservative parts of the union gaind controll, and stricter segregation wwas enforced, to the advantage of the Afrikaner, things like no longer alowing blacks and colourds in the Cape to vote. The white man in Sa united, and became very rich in the union, and then later the republic. The Afrikaner was a poor nation before union, a rich one after.

Then about the uprising and hook and crook. I did not speak of an uprising, I asked why the repubics should rise up again. It is not a refernece to violence, as you seem to read into it, but a reference to you saying that the repubics will be once more, thus rise out of the ashes, to use the figure of speech, thus rise up again.

Then, yes, the ANC is in a coalition with the SACP, a very unhappy aliance which the SACP are looking for profitable ways to break from, as anyone here knows. The USA is in a coalition with the UK in Iraq, does that make them monarchists? I think not. A partiy's policies are surely measured, no by who the very very very junior partner of that party is, but by it's policies, and I would love you to show me one, only one communist policy of the current government. and start at all the companies the government has privatised.

And then, moving in a majority. Okay, that is a way. But the people who voted yes in thegreat referendum clearly does not fall under that group, now does it. Only white South African citizens voted, no one was moved anywhere.

And in the 1994 election only South African citizens voted, of all thedifferent groups in this great land that has the right to call themselves such. Again, no one was moved anywhere, the majority has spoken.

I would also like to know what is so wrong with Human Rights, etc.?

Oh, you should also read up a bit on who owns the welath in SA, there is not many British compamies, except Braclays who only reently came back into the country to buy, what is anyway a pretty useless bank. Companies like Anglo-American, De Beers, Stanlib, Macarthy's ans SAB-Miller are not in British hands, now are they?

Then on De Klerk and the Boers. De Klerk does not call himself a Boer, since there is no such destinct nation as the Boer. Tehre are Afrikaners, and De Klerk identiifies himself as such.

The term Afrikaner originated in the time of Dutch rule. Only many many decades later did the name Boer really appear, andthen as a name by the Englsih for the Afrikaners living in the north. After the war the term Afrikaner was the accepted term again, untill, and this is clearly what De Klerk meant - the name Boer was hijacked by groups like the AWB and the Boeremag,militant far right wing superamisct groups.

The word Boer in South Africa is not a ethnic term, but a political one. People who follow the ultra-conservative poliicies call themselves Boer. And that is why many Afrikaners (White, aFrikaans speaking, of Dutch-German-French heritage, who's families fought the British in both wars, etc. etc. etc.) do not refer to themsleves as Boers, as they do not follow those policies.

Before I go, one last question - what makes Zuma more of a South African than President Mbeki? Is it the fact that he knows even less about HIV than President Mbeki? Or is it he's very low morals (sleeping with a young girl under his care), or is ithe's corrupt actions?

AH

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“The subject no longer has to be mentioned by name. Someone is sick. Someone else is feeling better now. A friend has just gone back into the hospital. Another has died. The unspoken name, of course, is AIDS.”
“From the point of view of the pharmaceutical industry, the AIDS problem has already been solved. After all, we already have a drug which can be sold at the incredible price of $8, 000 an annual dose, and which has the added virtue of not diminishing the market by actually curing anyone.”

Russell Mallon

Future New Capelanders need to consider the realistic possibility and consequences of beginning the process of psychologically and publicly denouncing their South African Citizenship. (After all, South Africa is a country that is destined to be further plagued by those who simply murder, rape and rob; supported by individuals who operate a fraudulent and wasteful government. Their genocidal mission, tactics and vision are unstoppable.)

Claiming to be a South African, (especially in a global sense) can no longer be seen as belonging to a respectable citizenship in today’s times; but more importantly, for a new future in New Capeland.

The very conscious soles of what remains of white and coloured ethnic cultures, (in what is now the murder and rape capital hell hole of the world,) are currently being gutted. These black South African machete-wielding, evil-blood-shot-eyed slaves to the South African government are preparing for their final cull. These vile people of our modern times believe that they can extract bone marrow from a jelly fish! And that goes beyond being productively wasteful and dangerous to themselves and society. Newcapelanders must not form any part of this South African culture anymore!

As a country; The “South African Ideal,” now needs to be left behind by any futuristic thinking individual that currently consider themselves to still be a white or coloured South African. South Africa is in a state of progressive ruin and will continue until it ends up like Zimbabwe. The black tribes (murderers and rapists,) of these two countries are currently uniting and there will be no physical border between the two.

South Africa as a country must be geographically reduced in size, vacated, and then ostracised by its small portion of civilised citizens. The only way that we will begin to achieve this is by (a) Increasing the size of New Capeland. (b) Mentally converting the thinking process from ‘I am a South African’ to ‘I am a New Capelander.’ (c) Smashing through (with all your individual force,) the mental barriers that have been cleverly created and designed to destabilise you and leave you at an impasse concerning your vital importance, determination and self worth.

It will be the future New Capelander capitalists and their capitalist based concepts and business thinking capabilities that will create real financial (and many other) forms of wealth for the citizens of New Capeland.

The purpose of government is to be a [servant protector] to the capitalist publics and not to be a public nuisance and purposefully slow down and even prevent the growth of its citizens and country; hence you have ANC type governing!

The ANC government are in the business of taking earned wealth from the capitalist to finance their wasteful existence without even knowing how or where to allocate those resources for productive distribution. In contrast, the newly elected executive government of New Capeland will be in the business of serving the safety and growth of its capitalist based citizens.

New Capeland will NEVER become a country of cheap labour. When you have a country with access volumes of cheap labour, (like Azania/South Africa ) then you leave yourself open for governments to use their communist/socialist tactics to brainwash its population into believing that they are truly interested in making poverty history and then blame the capitalist, apartheid or racism for their inability to achieve this.

This lie or well camouflaged false claim is used by the ANC and their followers. That’s why millions of Zimbabweans are flooding unchallenged through the [un protected] borders into [Azania/South Africa]. The more labour that comes through, the more that BEE type enterprises can drive down the cost of labour. BEE Enterprise then are simply distributing the same amount of money to more unskilled people; who will then have less than they had in the first place.

The children who become the children of New Capeland will be free to learn, and perhaps become intelligent and productive within their own little specialist area in their life. This is what they will want! This is what they will have the freedom and inspiration to achieve. Their purpose in life as New Capelanders will be to create and experience as many happiness experiences for themselves as they possible can in any one day, every day! [FREE FROM MURDERERS AND RAPISTS!]