And go where? And how are the Zulu 9but one of the many groups in SA) and Inkatha (a dying political party) suffering more than the others? And how must the whites pay? And to whom? And, I will never defend Apartheid, but not all the land was stolen, Much of it was not inhabited, an much of it was bought, this not even the ANC denies.

this is not hte #blacks land or the White's land, it is south African's land, and we can and must share it.

AH

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For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.
I detest racialism, because I regard it as a barbaric thing, whether it comes from a black man or a white man. - Nelson Mandela

The whites must either return to Euroupe
from whence they came; The land was
Black land, the Blacks who owned the
land where migratory and migrated seasonally.The lie that white south Africans continue to perpetuate is that
there were no Blacks on the land when they arrived,thats bull squat, the Blacks
still claimed the land but where in the midst of their seasonal migration.The land
is still Black, all Black.White people are
not indigenous to the African continent.
This is a fact.

What is this all about?!

First of all I want to say my parents lived in South Africa in the '80s...
Okay they had a good life, a large house,...they even got payed by the the regime to come to South Africa!
But that's doesn't mean my mother or father, or every white South African was a supporter of Apartheid...
From scince I can remember my parents had a great admiration for the ANC...and I'm sure when Mandela will die my mother will be depressed and very sad...
I think it's ridiculous to say thay all whites must be punished or must leave the country...

And if I may go broader...my grandparents were colonials in D.R of Congo,...I'm not discussing the fact that blacks were suppressed by whites, but that doesn't mean every white was bashing blacks...
My grandparents, together with my father and uncle, were living there in peace, sure they had black servants but they weren't slaves...they got well paid and they (and their wives and childeren) were a part of our family...

What has happended is very sad indeed, but that's all in the past now...
South Africa is one big multicultural experiment and you can't expect that the effects of almost a century of Apartheid will be cleared up in 10 or 20 years...
It's a new kind of society, they don't call it for nothing the 'rainbow nation'.

I have to say it's a dream of mine to visit South Africa as soon as possible, I'm not blind for the problems there but I think we can overcome then, in one way I'm European but in some way I feel strongly connected with South Africa (my brother was born there, and I was conceived there )
I know Afrikaans is seen as the Apartheid-language...but I really want to learn it, because it an intresting evolution of the Dutch language...

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Jean Monnet

A question for Africanhope.

How much of Africa's continuing political/tribal problems stem from the fact that The Europeans drew arbitrary boarder lines with no regard for tribal boundaries?

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To Navigato, as SA does not have hug tribal problems, it is difficult for me to say, but it has always been my opinion that many of the problems come from these weird borders (take a look at Namibia for instance)

Hypnox.

my father's family came herefrom France in 1694. My family on that sdie them mixed with Dutch and German colonists. So which country should I go to? I love this country. I never discrimintated against anyone. I work hard to make this country better. I was born here, as so many of my family before me, generations, why should I go?

And yout knwledge of SA history is a bit sad. African tribes in Sa did not migrate, that is the Bushmen. So that theory gone (you saiing it is a fact does not make it so) The Zulu's and Tswana's and all the rest are agarian, so the stteld, build towns, andstayed in one place. Shake came inland, and destryed almostall the tribes, in what is commonly known as the Mzilikaze. So when the Voortrekkers (white settlers) cameinto what is the norhtehrn provinces, there were not many people left after this genocide.

That is the hsistory, still taught oday, of SA.

AH

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After climbing a great hill, one only finds that there are many more hills to climb.
For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.
I detest racialism, because I regard it as a barbaric thing, whether it comes from a black man or a white man. - Nelson Mandela

the white race in South Africa is being persecuted, oppressed and being forced to leave their homeland yet their is no movement by the modern world to stop this nonsense. why? i call for the president of the united states to intervene in this madness. it is not okay for the current regime to treat whites the way they are right now.

just b/c you are treat poorly does not give you the right to do the same back. be the better man.

Where do you get your sources from?
And if your President has to intervene in anything, it is in the madness of American consumerism...he has to make sure millions of Americans don't lose their homes.

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"Nos pays sont devenus trop petits pour le monde actuel, à l'échelle des moyens techniques modernes, à la mesure de l'Amérique et de la Russie aujourd'hui, de la Chine et de l'Inde demain. L'unité des peuples européens réunis dans les Etats-Unis d'Europe est le moyen de relever leur niveau de vie et de maintenir la paix. Elle est le grand espoir et la chance de notre époque. Nous aussi, nous allons vers notre but, les Etats-Unis d'Europe, dans une course sans retour."

Jean Monnet

First, Americans should view the entire BIG picture concerning what's
taking place all over the Motherland, and the to Genocide movement
is mostly financed by the British or French Government. With the good
old USA hiding in the bushes with the help of the United Nations.
Africa is full of rich resources such as diamonds, oil, and many other
natural resources.

Look at the Genocide that took place in Rwanda, Somolia. and Uganda
The entire move was a racist move as far as I am concerned, due to the
fact that the United Nations troops ONLY rescued the rich whites, and
their house negros. Yet here we are in 2008, and I am wondering how
many of us can accept the fact that the United States government has
committed war crimes in the Middle East?

The United Nations peacekeepers could have did better then what
took place as ffar as the rescue mission. The Army for the Liberation
of Rwanda could have been stopped if the United Nations would have
requested enforcement like they are doing in the Middle East.
In closing, there is two different types of Wars that's taking place in
Africa and the Middle East.

(1): A Holy War between ALL countries that's fighting against each
other,(2): and they are also fighting the BUSH war to protect their
own Natual Resources. Hypnox, thanks for posting some realistic
facts.

The Ghostdog

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and everyone is playing a part.

America is the #1 provider of aid for Africa. We do not get much in return from it. Don't play that "America doesn't care about Africa bull shit." If we didn't we would have left a long time ago.

But the question remains Super, even if you do not want to answer it - where do you get your sources from? What rpoof is there of persucution and whites being driven out of their coutry/ Please, as someone living here, I would like to know if something like this is happening.

AH

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After climbing a great hill, one only finds that there are many more hills to climb.
For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.
I detest racialism, because I regard it as a barbaric thing, whether it comes from a black man or a white man. - Nelson Mandela