SA wealth gap widening - Political Forum

africanhope · 01-24-2008, 06:23 PM

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SA wealth gap widening
Jan 24 2008 09:05 PM

Cape Town - South Africa's wealth gap is widening and the average black citizen still only earns an eighth of what his white counterpart does nearly 14 years on from the end of apartheid, a new survey found on Thursday.

In its annual survey, the Institute for Justice and Reconciliation (IJR), said inequality rose from 0.60 in 2006 to 0.62 last year on a zero to one scale, on which one represents absolute inequality.

"We are not succeeding in reducing inequality," IJR senior researcher Jan Hofmeyr told AFP.

"Even if the increase is marginal, it is not a good sign. We need to be moving in the opposite direction."

The institute's 2007 transformation audit found that the per capita income of black South Africans was 13 percent of that of whites, 14 years after the end of the white minority apartheid government.

And women were feeling the pinch more and more, with the income of female-headed households measured at 46.2% that of male-headed households - down from 47.9% in 2006.

New ANC leader Jacob Zuma made the disparity between rich and poor one of the main themes of his recent successful campaign to oust South African president Thabo Mbeki from the helm of the ruling party.

For those who claim white s haveit soooo bad in South Africa, and areseriously discrimnated against, the above shows a different picture. If this problem is not shown to get better soon, serious problems await the country!

AH

GlobalStrategist · 01-24-2008, 06:55 PM

The Whites built everything in South Africa, and so are entitled to everything in South Africa. The Blacks should they want wealth should buy it from the Whites or build it themselves. That is the capitalist way. But this will not be the case as the Blacks not because of race but because of herd-mentality of large groups, will want to force the Whites to give up what is rightfully theirs.

The result should be a return to Apartheid. Like a bad child should go to time-out; the real world only teaches its generations lessons in the harshest of manners.

But without those lessons the generations act as children, greedy, selfish, and wanting to take for themselves what is not theirs.

africanhope · 01-25-2008, 01:54 AM

Wow, you could not be more wrong. White build everything? I've heard this argument so many times, it is sad. How did they build everything? Where did this country's infrastructure come from? They used (very) cheap black labour, that is hwo they did it. Through exploiuting the black citizens of this country, did they build it. whites worked, they build, but not alone - it is not theirs. So this argument is wrong on sooo many levels.

It also goes forth with the old but worng asumption that black Africansdo notwant to work (I alsways wondered, if this was true, why were they used as slaves then, if they are sooo lazy, why did Europeans enslave them?) and wanteverything for themselves. This is very easy to proof wrong. Walk into any white household, where sometimes even vy old back women work damned hard everyday to keep white homes clean, just totreturn with their stipance to their little shack build of congecated iron.

Walk in the streets of any south African town or city, and see the millions of black South Africans etching out a (legal) living selling, digging, doing what ever they can fin to make an income to feed their children.

And the devide is growing. This is the point, which you clearly miss. Somewhites complain that they suffer in the New SA. I've heard comments on this board from people from other countries saying they heard whites are so discriminated against in SA. But the facts show something different - whites are justgettingricher and richer, not a lot of suffering, discriinination or genocide going on, is there?

AH

GlobalStrategist · 01-25-2008, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by africanhope

Wow, you could not be more wrong. White build everything? I've heard this argument so many times, it is sad. How did they build everything? Where did this country's infrastructure come from? They used (very) cheap black labour, that is hwo they did it. Through exploiuting the black citizens of this country, did they build it. whites worked, they build, but not alone - it is not theirs. So this argument is wrong on sooo many levels.

It also goes forth with the old but worng asumption that black Africansdo notwant to work (I alsways wondered, if this was true, why were they used as slaves then, if they are sooo lazy, why did Europeans enslave them?) and wanteverything for themselves. This is very easy to proof wrong. Walk into any white household, where sometimes even vy old back women work damned hard everyday to keep white homes clean, just totreturn with their stipance to their little shack build of congecated iron.

Walk in the streets of any south African town or city, and see the millions of black South Africans etching out a (legal) living selling, digging, doing what ever they can fin to make an income to feed their children.

And the devide is growing. This is the point, which you clearly miss. Somewhites complain that they suffer in the New SA. I've heard comments on this board from people from other countries saying they heard whites are so discriminated against in SA. But the facts show something different - whites are justgettingricher and richer, not a lot of suffering, discriinination or genocide going on, is there?

AH

Get a book called "Banking and Business in South Africa".

Banking and Business when in the title refers to the capital structure of a nation and how it went from a subsistence farming society to a capitalist industrial society, usually the discussion is reserved only for those nations that have achieved the highest level of capital development such as the first world (which part of South Africa is).

It obviously proves that the whites built everything.

Now if you can name one infrastructure, capital structure, financial institution, commerce bank, trade institution, market, mercantile exchange, mine, plantation, or dock that was built by blacks then please....do.....

But don't confuse the fact that something being built requires the money or more specifically the capital (which is more than money but also accumulated infrastructure) and so those who have those things are the builders, not the men breaking their backs.

When I say whites built South Africa I do not refer to the white iron workers or carpenters any more than I would refer to a black doing the same work...I refer to the capitalists...whom are entirely White.

My point is very clearly on target with what you are posting.

The fact is that the entire capital that the South Africans had to build the nation came from whites and white organisation it did not come from blacks and so blacks have no entitlement.

The problem now is that blacks are not being given ownership of the constructs that the whites had made and that is just, but blacks obviously don't think so and therefore it is a growing problem socially.

This problem will lead hopefully to a return to Apartheid because I'm no stranger to discrimination I do not hide it; but I will not continue further so as to not directly break the forum rules.

But I have great plans for South Africa so actually I will post them in another thread which you can go and contribute your views if you want.