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Old 10-22-2007, 10:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sure, no problem. But could you give me some of your thoughts to the short posts I’ve made? I’ll repost them so you don’t have to go back.
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The first post was:
“I’m not about to argue your point at all here but I’m just trying to clarify what you said. Would you say that you don’t believe pornography negatively impacts a person’s judgment to the point where it could lead to harm towards another person?”
No, I don't see pornography on the same level as drugs. I don't exactly think it's good, but the major factor at hand with drugs like marijuana is the physical alteration and manipulation of brain chemistry, making the side-effects that result from said drugs difficult--if not impossible--to actually resist. The other "activities" that have been mentioned are ones people take part in when they're fully conscious on a normal human level, and nothing unnatural is interfering in that regard.

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If you made your money selling drugs you would want it to stay illegal. Someone I know who sold pot made around $350 in two hours selling it. I can’t prove this to you but I’m just going to throw it out there anyway.
I don't deny that dealers appreciate the high prices they can illegitimately sell it at, but once again, it's all about individual choice here. The dealers are making the choice to sell it, and maybe more importantly, the users are making the choice to repeatedly do business with the dealers. It's a vicious cycle, but society isn't to blame for it. Society discourages the use of drugs like marijuana so that hopefully users will see that it's selfish and unnecessary and they'll stop giving drug dealers business. Society cannot prevent people from making the final choice. Society can--and must--however, punish people who disregard the right choice for selfish reasons.

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Do you not believe that the example I gave (Gorge Jung’s high profits in the illegal marijuana selling business) is some evidence for the profit paradox? The profit paradox, if you do not already know (I’m sure you do), is the idea that the illegal product’s value will be artificially increased by the fact that they are illegal (harder to get), thus, stimulating the criminal activity surrounding the trade.
Once again, however, it's not Whereas, if said product were legal, the value would logical to simply pawn off responsibility on the systematic "flow" of economics. Human reason is superior to that, and the lack of human reason--or lack of human responsibility, anyway--is what's causing this.

drop significantly eliminating all criminal activity relating to the distribution of the product. I believe I read a post of yours were you claim to have debunked this theory. If you already have, could you either repost that comment or explain it again for me?[/quote]Sure thing. In that post awhile back, I explained the difference in crime rates in the US, the Netherlands and Japan and I was able to prove that if anything, the crime rate is to be blamed on cultural aspects of a nation. Otherwise, in the Netherlands, after marijuana was legalized, the crime rate and hard-drug use rate spiked. That leaves one of two possibilities, given the three varying nations (examples) with this same sort of drug issue:


The two logical possible conclusions that can be taken from the data comparing the crime rates of the United States, the Netherlands, and Japan:

A. Legalization causes more crime, as seen in the Netherlands
(which I would say is not the case)


or

B. The crime rate is to be blamed on cultural aspects of a country
(which seems to be the most logical conclusion)

For instance, marijuana is illegal in both the US and Japan. However, Japan's crime rate is a fraction of the proportion of the US crime rate. It's interesting then to note that the single only different factor when comparing the two countries--in specific regard to this issue--is culture. American culture is just simply a much more violent culture than Japanese culture.

I believe that's where the real problem lies. Society, however, cannot be blamed for the actions of criminals, nor can it even be blamed for the collective crime rate. If you wish to see those specific stats again, I would have no problem finding them from prior to this.

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If you don’t hear from me again tonight it is because I’m studying for my political economy exam tomorrow.
Not a problem. I'm usually in and out, when you reply, I'll see it on here sooner or later.
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