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That Darn Republican · 10-13-2007, 10:09 PM

19th century science was a very interesting time in history. The western world was on fire for the dawn of the industrial revolution, universities all over the world were awash with the free exchange of ideals... and Victorian values were the stage to play on, man was truly full of himself. He asked question about the order of the universe, but from a perspective of finding God in creation, a rather noble undertaking for the search for empirical evidence revealing the splendor of a Devine order in our creation.

Enter Charles Darwin... having thoughts about life from a rather angry perspective, shaking his fists at God regarding a personal tragedy in his life [a familiar trait in atheists]... traveling about the Galapagos Islands he had time to let his mind roam and discover new ways to eliminate God as a road block in mans behavioral path for those willing to part with civil and decent behavior in favor of the golden age of self indulgence which seemed to be dawning right along with what would turn the science would on its ear, and advance probably one of the most outlandish frauds of the science world: Charles Darwin’s "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" [1859] well, Victorian bigotry was alive and well during that period, William Wilberforce was an active proponent of the abolition of slavery in England, and across the pond... America was embroiled in a fight for her fledgling life for the preservation of the union as it was for the very same thing. In short, man was looking for a scientific justification for living the way they felt fit, and it is no different today.

Notice similarities in the advocation of "science" as the unchallenged mainstay of reason in the minds that perpetrate and foist these ideals as science on the world, and in order to play their game you have be mired in anyway with the most human of faults [in the mind of a secularist] as having belief in God as Creator. We call these revisionists “social engineers” they are not tethered in anyway to reason, common sense, reality nor moral conviction for their brazen advocation of illicit ideals as authorship of life rather than submitting to evidence already disproving much of what Darwin’s ideological religion as science been literally shoving down the throats of people who know better already. Instead of having your ideal tested in the marketplace of free ideals – this ideological bent as science has been used mainly used to support ethic bias, which was the main reason for it. Many scientists in that day were actively engaging finding a reason for justifying slavery – this was timely, see a pattern in so-called stem cell research. They don’t’ tell you what type of stem cell research they want to “research”… that is because it is so-called sciences advocation of abortion. When the reality is the only useful stem cells are those from adults, but voices that support and advocate abortion move quickly to discredit and reinforce their ill-gotten positions on the deeply divisive social issue.

However… if you re-read the title of Darwin’s book… that subtitle tells you quite clearly what his rhetoric is about – but that is quickly suppressed by the left, however shows up in the social policies and positions they support. The latter being “… The Preservation of Favoured Races” – essentially Darwinian evolution was the stem cell argument of the Victorian age. Many do not know that Charles Darwin was not the original author of these ideals he held… they were his grandfathers originally, he just completed it. The word racism was developed from Darwin’s thesis. He espoused that man was not created equal… there were “evidences” that supported that. But without the benefit of modern technology – minds of the day [along with their agendas] took off with it. Darwin theorized that people of darker skin bore similarities to primates than their Caucasian counterparts. This was widely accepted as the scientific authority to advocate the suppression of blacks all over the globe to be “racially” predisposed to servitude by an ethnically biased and flawed platform of slavery. Then came in the rabid claws of Bertrand Russell and other likes… a scurrilous womanizer, of course he’s advocate anything that didn’t’ convict his lifestyle and behavior, much the same of men like Oscar Wilde. This was the world condition of the day that set the stage for what we repeat today… out of complete ignorance to the reality of the over abounding evidence of a deeper order in creation, and it doesn’t predispose anyone to the whim of another. Our word racism came from Darwin’s rhetoric, however – people have to know what a “race” actually is. It is tantamount to saying people of different color are entirely different species all together, and that simply isn’t true and could not be proved to be true… ever.

Ethnicity is skin tone and overt physical characteristics [such as build] that are typical of that ethnicity, but does that make them another race… absolutely not, since ethnicity is 90% color. It was propagated as a tool by Carl Marx subtly and used with lethal effectiveness by later minds such a Adolph Hitler… and more contemporary – our liberal social engineers whose ethnic bias is evident in all “their” means of propaganda. However… there is a glaring difference between real science and scientism, the latter practiced by social engineers to bring about their “new world order” the differences are:

• Science: Being objective in origin, is based on empirical evidence through observation [that which can be observed] and theories of factual evidence can be derived from studies based on those observations.

• Scientism: Being subjective in nature, does not seek factual resolution. It is propagandistic by nature and suits the varied agendas of those who propagate it, and is survived only by those who force it on others – and has never shared the free marketplace of ideas and ideals with anything, it has always remained [by-in-large] unchallenged.

Modern science has begun to dig deeper into claims of Creation science, there have been many archeological studies over the last hundred years, but mostly in the last ten that have yielded a boon on not only geological evidence of a world flood, but the Human Genome Project has discovered deep, complex levels of cellular organization at the subatomic level… and you know that means. Many secular scientists have poo-poo’d evolution as just what many have discovered it is… and excuse to live how you want. To indoctrinate in to deviancy without conviction – but they have they integrity to want to discover what there is to discover without.

The reality is it takes far more faith to say man evolved over a scientological etch-a-sketch of how many millions upon billions of years... this week, man to come about. In their grand estimation. Then as they come upon a new fallen epiphany, they shake it up and start again. Miry clay… if I ever heard it. Watch the rhetoric; you can never get a direct answer from a liberal extremist on the basis of their theories. They just fight back with blind charges of not believing in the science they believe in, and having religion clouding their judgments, but it sounds awfully like what they are doping to people who know a heck of a lot more that they do. In the end, is how you want to live that important ant you have to create and perpetrate a grand fraud that is no more provable than a monkey evolved from a hubcap…? God’s Word tells us we are “fearfully and wonderfully made” ever notice that when ever science tries to reproduce something that occurs in nature, we come back with a unhealthy fraud as the best substitute… i.e. Aspartame, carcinogenic.. yet people that want to keep the pounds off because they can’t control how much diet soda they chug openly down as much as they like.

The carbonation in cola’s – will cause bone frailty and marrow production problems in both men and women. Good ole sugar… was always made to be taken in moderation. Sparkling water sources cannot be imitated without repercussions, all a sign that man unchecked has no fist to shake but at himself, and that maybe... just maybe God is who he says he is.

Romans: 1:18-32 [ the Message: a simplified translation ]

Ignoring God Leads to a Downward Spiral

“…18-23But God's angry displeasure erupts as acts of human mistrust and wrongdoing and lying accumulate, as people try to put a shroud over truth. But the basic reality of God is plain enough. Open your eyes and there it is! By taking a long and thoughtful look at what God has created, people have always been able to see what their eyes as such can't see: eternal power, for instance, and the mystery of his divine being. So nobody has a good excuse. What happened was this: People knew God perfectly well, but when they didn't treat him like God, refusing to worship him, they trivialized themselves into silliness and confusion so that there was neither sense nor direction left in their lives. They pretended to know it all, but were illiterate regarding life. They traded the glory of God who holds the whole world in his hands for cheap figurines you can buy at any roadside stand.

24-25So God said, in effect, "If that's what you want, that's what you get." It wasn't long before they were living in a pigpen, smeared with filth, filthy inside and out. And all this because they traded the true God for a fake god, and worshiped the god they made instead of the God who made them—the God we bless, the God who blesses us. Oh, yes!

26-27Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn't know how to be human either—women didn't know how to be women, men didn't know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches.

28-32Since they didn't bother to acknowledge God, God quit bothering them and let them run loose. And then all hell broke loose: rampant evil, grabbing and grasping, vicious backstabbing. They made life hell on earth with their envy, wanton killing, bickering, and cheating. Look at them: mean-spirited, venomous, fork-tongued God-bashers. Bullies, swaggerers, insufferable windbags! They keep inventing new ways of wrecking lives. They ditch their parents when they get in the way. Stupid, slimy, cruel, cold-blooded. And it's not as if they don't know better. They know perfectly well they're spitting in God's face. And they don't care—worse, they hand out prizes to those who do the worst things best!”

I tell you this... There is absolutely no substitute for knowing sold ground… because from there, you can go anywhere. But miry clay, pulls you right back down with the rest. It is the right way to love your fellow man and find right value within yourself. This was never about "religion" God is not a fan of religion -- but people sure make a big stink out of it. It's not that you say - It's about what you can prove...

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That Darn Republican Mercenary Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 250	Science vs. Scientism: Creation Science vs. Evolution 19th century science was a very interesting time in history. The western world was on fire for the dawn of the industrial revolution, universities all over the world were awash with the free exchange of ideals... and Victorian values were the stage to play on, man was truly full of himself. He asked question about the order of the universe, but from a perspective of finding God in creation, a rather noble undertaking for the search for empirical evidence revealing the splendor of a Devine order in our creation. Enter Charles Darwin... having thoughts about life from a rather angry perspective, shaking his fists at God regarding a personal tragedy in his life [a familiar trait in atheists]... traveling about the Galapagos Islands he had time to let his mind roam and discover new ways to eliminate God as a road block in mans behavioral path for those willing to part with civil and decent behavior in favor of the golden age of self indulgence which seemed to be dawning right along with what would turn the science would on its ear, and advance probably one of the most outlandish frauds of the science world: Charles Darwin’s "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" [1859] well, Victorian bigotry was alive and well during that period, William Wilberforce was an active proponent of the abolition of slavery in England, and across the pond... America was embroiled in a fight for her fledgling life for the preservation of the union as it was for the very same thing. In short, man was looking for a scientific justification for living the way they felt fit, and it is no different today. Notice similarities in the advocation of "science" as the unchallenged mainstay of reason in the minds that perpetrate and foist these ideals as science on the world, and in order to play their game you have be mired in anyway with the most human of faults [in the mind of a secularist] as having belief in God as Creator. We call these revisionists “social engineers” they are not tethered in anyway to reason, common sense, reality nor moral conviction for their brazen advocation of illicit ideals as authorship of life rather than submitting to evidence already disproving much of what Darwin’s ideological religion as science been literally shoving down the throats of people who know better already. Instead of having your ideal tested in the marketplace of free ideals – this ideological bent as science has been used mainly used to support ethic bias, which was the main reason for it. Many scientists in that day were actively engaging finding a reason for justifying slavery – this was timely, see a pattern in so-called stem cell research. They don’t’ tell you what type of stem cell research they want to “research”… that is because it is so-called sciences advocation of abortion. When the reality is the only useful stem cells are those from adults, but voices that support and advocate abortion move quickly to discredit and reinforce their ill-gotten positions on the deeply divisive social issue. However… if you re-read the title of Darwin’s book… that subtitle tells you quite clearly what his rhetoric is about – but that is quickly suppressed by the left, however shows up in the social policies and positions they support. The latter being “… The Preservation of Favoured Races” – essentially Darwinian evolution was the stem cell argument of the Victorian age. Many do not know that Charles Darwin was not the original author of these ideals he held… they were his grandfathers originally, he just completed it. The word racism was developed from Darwin’s thesis. He espoused that man was not created equal… there were “evidences” that supported that. But without the benefit of modern technology – minds of the day [along with their agendas] took off with it. Darwin theorized that people of darker skin bore similarities to primates than their Caucasian counterparts. This was widely accepted as the scientific authority to advocate the suppression of blacks all over the globe to be “racially” predisposed to servitude by an ethnically biased and flawed platform of slavery. Then came in the rabid claws of Bertrand Russell and other likes… a scurrilous womanizer, of course he’s advocate anything that didn’t’ convict his lifestyle and behavior, much the same of men like Oscar Wilde. This was the world condition of the day that set the stage for what we repeat today… out of complete ignorance to the reality of the over abounding evidence of a deeper order in creation, and it doesn’t predispose anyone to the whim of another. Our word racism came from Darwin’s rhetoric, however – people have to know what a “race” actually is. It is tantamount to saying people of different color are entirely different species all together, and that simply isn’t true and could not be proved to be true… ever. Ethnicity is skin tone and overt physical characteristics [such as build] that are typical of that ethnicity, but does that make them another race… absolutely not, since ethnicity is 90% color. It was propagated as a tool by Carl Marx subtly and used with lethal effectiveness by later minds such a Adolph Hitler… and more contemporary – our liberal social engineers whose ethnic bias is evident in all “their” means of propaganda. However… there is a glaring difference between real science and scientism, the latter practiced by social engineers to bring about their “new world order” the differences are: • Science: Being objective in origin, is based on empirical evidence through observation [that which can be observed] and theories of factual evidence can be derived from studies based on those observations. • Scientism: Being subjective in nature, does not seek factual resolution. It is propagandistic by nature and suits the varied agendas of those who propagate it, and is survived only by those who force it on others – and has never shared the free marketplace of ideas and ideals with anything, it has always remained [by-in-large] unchallenged. Modern science has begun to dig deeper into claims of Creation science, there have been many archeological studies over the last hundred years, but mostly in the last ten that have yielded a boon on not only geological evidence of a world flood, but the Human Genome Project has discovered deep, complex levels of cellular organization at the subatomic level… and you know that means. Many secular scientists have poo-poo’d evolution as just what many have discovered it is… and excuse to live how you want. To indoctrinate in to deviancy without conviction – but they have they integrity to want to discover what there is to discover without. The reality is it takes far more faith to say man evolved over a scientological etch-a-sketch of how many millions upon billions of years... this week, man to come about. In their grand estimation. Then as they come upon a new fallen epiphany, they shake it up and start again. Miry clay… if I ever heard it. Watch the rhetoric; you can never get a direct answer from a liberal extremist on the basis of their theories. They just fight back with blind charges of not believing in the science they believe in, and having religion clouding their judgments, but it sounds awfully like what they are doping to people who know a heck of a lot more that they do. In the end, is how you want to live that important ant you have to create and perpetrate a grand fraud that is no more provable than a monkey evolved from a hubcap…? God’s Word tells us we are “fearfully and wonderfully made” ever notice that when ever science tries to reproduce something that occurs in nature, we come back with a unhealthy fraud as the best substitute… i.e. Aspartame, carcinogenic.. yet people that want to keep the pounds off because they can’t control how much diet soda they chug openly down as much as they like. The carbonation in cola’s – will cause bone frailty and marrow production problems in both men and women. Good ole sugar… was always made to be taken in moderation. Sparkling water sources cannot be imitated without repercussions, all a sign that man unchecked has no fist to shake but at himself, and that maybe... just maybe God is who he says he is. Romans: 1:18-32 [ the Message: a simplified translation ] Ignoring God Leads to a Downward Spiral “…18-23But God's angry displeasure erupts as acts of human mistrust and wrongdoing and lying accumulate, as people try to put a shroud over truth. But the basic reality of God is plain enough. Open your eyes and there it is! By taking a long and thoughtful look at what God has created, people have always been able to see what their eyes as such can't see: eternal power, for instance, and the mystery of his divine being. So nobody has a good excuse. What happened was this: People knew God perfectly well, but when they didn't treat him like God, refusing to worship him, they trivialized themselves into silliness and confusion so that there was neither sense nor direction left in their lives. They pretended to know it all, but were illiterate regarding life. They traded the glory of God who holds the whole world in his hands for cheap figurines you can buy at any roadside stand. 24-25So God said, in effect, "If that's what you want, that's what you get." It wasn't long before they were living in a pigpen, smeared with filth, filthy inside and out. And all this because they traded the true God for a fake god, and worshiped the god they made instead of the God who made them—the God we bless, the God who blesses us. Oh, yes! 26-27Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn't know how to be human either—women didn't know how to be women, men didn't know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches. 28-32Since they didn't bother to acknowledge God, God quit bothering them and let them run loose. And then all hell broke loose: rampant evil, grabbing and grasping, vicious backstabbing. They made life hell on earth with their envy, wanton killing, bickering, and cheating. Look at them: mean-spirited, venomous, fork-tongued God-bashers. Bullies, swaggerers, insufferable windbags! They keep inventing new ways of wrecking lives. They ditch their parents when they get in the way. Stupid, slimy, cruel, cold-blooded. And it's not as if they don't know better. They know perfectly well they're spitting in God's face. And they don't care—worse, they hand out prizes to those who do the worst things best!” I tell you this... There is absolutely no substitute for knowing sold ground… because from there, you can go anywhere. But miry clay, pulls you right back down with the rest. It is the right way to love your fellow man and find right value within yourself. This was never about "religion" God is not a fan of religion -- but people sure make a big stink out of it. It's not that you say - It's about what you can prove... __________________ - That Darn Republican "If it is new, it cannot be truth... and if it is truth, it can not be new" -anon Last edited by That Darn Republican; 10-14-2007 at 12:01 AM.