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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois
For the reason that:
(1) The US has had most of its economic, political and social decisions made by white people
(2) Even after the Civil Rights movement, US political, social and economic decisions are made by white people.
(3) Even though these facts indicate that "the US should do this" can very easily mean "white people should do this", ASIDE FROM THAT, it is very likely that black people could be using the "US" and "White People" interchangeably, REGARDLESS of what the US actually is in truth.
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WEB this sounds like an elaborate argument stating the very thing you vehemently objected to, claiming that I "implied" that you were racist.
Anyway, as I stated above in my response to EP, you have only addressed one aspect of the inquiry. I made a specific inquiry about a specific phenomenon which specifically seeks out and states the race to be given the advice and the name of the person of the same race whose advice that same race is suppose to heed and follow.
Once again, Tokie's statement was the latest impetus for this inquiry:
TOKIE'S statement: "Blacks might try taking some of Bill Cosby's advice..."
All I'm asking is for is an honest examination of this phenomenon by way of a simple substitution:
EXAMPLE:
Black person [insert their name] says, "Whites might try taking some of [White person's name] advice..."
Now, "talk about the number of times you've heard another race/ethnic group wax paternalistically and tell Whites who they should listen to and heed" and please name the names and note whether the phenomenon occurs with the same relative frequency...
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Below I show a post from a black poster (Ceci):
Can Americans truly deal with the issue of race?
Dominant culture is code for white. She is implying in her statement that white people need to take "social disparity" (which is code for racial disparity IMO) seriously.
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Hmmm... There is NO presumed/assumed "implication" with what Tokie and a host of thousands have to say. The type of thing you make note of would be more appropriately compared to, e.g, White attitudes regarding AA or some other government program or some intervention where the gov't is implicated.
The odd thing about that is, even when Whites, e.g., note how the gov't does this or that, many will virtually blame Blacks for a gov't policy they perceive as something that specifically benefits Blacks. And it's also clear that the kind of advice Tokie offered wasn't something that implicated some type of gov't action. That kind of advice borders on (and often is) personal, albeit socio-cultural, advice. There is a huge and rather obvious difference.
Blacks can certainly offer Whites advice about "what they need to do" in terms of not blaming Blacks for AA and the perception that Blacks are "taking" opportunities for them and, in so doing, kindly advise Whites to follow the words/thoughts of a particular White individual. Apparently, from the lack of responses that show evidence of this in that specific manner... Well, it must not occur nearly as frequently.
As for what Ceci specifically said...what's missing is not the prescription or advice-request she made but the White person she identified as the person Whites would be wise to listen to (because he's someone of their race, e.g.) and follow. And the noted socio-cultural, damn near personal nature of the advice is largely absent from Ceci's comment because, IMO, the dominant culture reference implicates not so much the race of the dominant culture but the very collective social position and power they hold allowing with the ability to make decisions (positive, negative and non-decisions) that, due to their social position/"dominance", impact not only their lives but the lives of others.
That is hardly the same thing and markedly different in nature, scope and intent-motive.
If she had said something along the lines of White people need to do something about METH - i.e. something in their own neighborhoods; aka a specific problem they are faced with - then that would be different and comparable to the type of remarks I'm asking about.
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