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Old 08-08-2007, 11:40 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by perdidochas View Post
In terms of quote 5, you forgot the rest of the passage, which, if anything, puts more burden on the man.

Ephesians 5:21-30
21 Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22 Wives should be subject to their husbands as to the Lord,
23 since, as Christ is head of the Church and saves the whole body, so is a husband the head of his wife;
24 and as the Church is subject to Christ, so should wives be to their husbands, in everything.
25 Husbands should love their wives, just as Christ loved the Church and sacrificed himself for her
26 to make her holy by washing her in cleansing water with a form of words,
27 so that when he took the Church to himself she would be glorious, with no speck or wrinkle or anything like that, but holy and faultless.
28 In the same way, husbands must love their wives as they love their own bodies; for a man to love his wife is for him to love himself.
29 A man never hates his own body, but he feeds it and looks after it; and that is the way Christ treats the Church,
30 because we are parts of his Body.
Sorry but... God says to women "submit and serve" and says to men "love like you love yourself". I would say that the burden falls on the women.

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Also, there is a little more in that 1 Cor 11 passage:

11 However, in the Lord, though woman is nothing without man, man is nothing without woman;
12 and though woman came from man, so does every man come from a woman, and everything comes from God.
That's... pretty irrelevent. It says plain as day right there that the man is head of the woman. The rest can be interpreted in a number of different ways, but mostly "awww, isn't that sweet?" kind of way. It is metaphorical. "Man is head of the woman" is not metaphorical. It is straight up.

As I said before.... the three mainstream religions that most people know about are very similar in many aspects. The Bible is full of abuses towards women that are sanctioned by the Christian God. Modern Christians simply choose not to follow that for <fill in the blank> reason. People who practice Islam follow the word of their holy book. It says treat women like they are worthless animals whose shame reflects upon the men closest to them... so they do.

Any believer of (at least) those three mainstream religions who says "Islam is horrible for treating women like that!" is being hypocritical. #1. Because it says to in both the Koran and the Bible as well as a number of other holy texts #2. You are criticizing one religion for adhering to their holy texts and pass judgment on them while you choose to ignore or omit parts of your holy text (which you believe is written divinely and should not be subject to human omission or the like) because it is convenient for you do to so....

Of course I am not condoning the treatment of women by Islam. But how some people can sit here and say "barbaric!" and then go home and choose to read specific chapters in a book that they are supposed to be living by in it's entirety that happens to have the exact same things written in it... makes no sense to me. Yes. Islam is barbaric in the way it treats women and expects women to behave. But the Bible says the same thing. What does that make you?
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