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Originally Posted by presluc
"you need both groups of sceintist theoratical ones and practical ones"
Well, sombody dropped the ball.
Why do you single me out for being the only one who discredit the sceintist and what they have done or lets say accomplished?
You may have worked in a factory, you may have worked in a hospital, you in all probability will graduate from University.
However when it comes to the working class and the poor and the streets you may need help.
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Maybe, but I did not discredid their work, you do so in regards to the work of many of those hard working theoretic scientists.
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This is how a majority of American people see today's theory makers {that write books and give lectures, this is how the people of the street see todays sceintist {that write books and give lectures} and go on news channels to announce to the American people "we are on the brink"?
This Sceintist and Theoratical era has been "on the brink" so long they should start pitching tents.
As for my discredit of the accomplishments made by this sceintific and theoratical of this time.
Try asking the average guy thats slugging it out a low paying dead end job, try asking the single mother working as a waitress full time and has a part time job.
Ask what the sceice and theorys has done for them or ask what any accomplishments they've made.
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Its in the nature of the thing that theories as such do not benefit anyone, practical applications who base on them might do so. By the time those applications the theories lie already quite a time back. Normally people dont see the connection between theory and the technology they use.
How many diabetis patients thank molecular biology for the chance to handle their sickness as good as it is possible today?
Being theoratical scientist can be a rewarding job, within the scientific community where you will get the honor you deserve. But dont expect regular people will thank you much. Those scientists who become known outside of the scientific community before they die are an exception. Sometimes they are real capacities (like Einstein) but not necessarely. Perhaps they just are good in selfmarketing unlike many scientists.
Theoratical science often does not lead to another result than expanding knowledge without any possible new application. Thats the very nature of it. As you simply can not know before if what you will find out can be used practically. But one thing is for sure, those countries who appreciate the theoratical sciences nonetheless and gives them the resources that are needed, will succeed on the long term. Japan did so, it was not really to their harm.
Its Americas decission if it wants a strong domestic theoratical scientific branch, or not. I dont care about it honestly. Other countries will be happy to jump in and your scientists will be happy to continue working in another place where they get the resources they need.
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And before you say they wouldn't understand forget it, they understand.
The differance is they deal in reality not hearsay and inuindos.
They deal in what is not what might be, maybe ,we're not sure.
They deal with here and now not "on the brink"
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What are you trying to tell me? That a factory worker understands the current status quo of theoratical science?
You are again only talking about practical applications. Theoratical scientists do not work on that. They lay the fundament. What you are talking about is not the fundament but if you like how the roof looks like.
Science needs its time, you have to realize this, and everyone who believes one could transform a new theory into a working machine within lets say eg 2 years is a daydreamer. Do you have an idea how long it takes to introduce a new drug, from the idea to the ready product on the market? Do you have an idea how much it costs due to the huge amount of work that needs to be done to get it ready?
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Sceintist and theory makers don't have the guts for that kind of life.
While at one time they were envied across the globe as risktakers they would put it all on the line.
Today some "theory maker has an idea" and then what it's run through a computer and then what?
Write a book ,give a lecture,hit the talk shows.
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Sorry if I might sound insultive, but you do not really know how the work of a theoratical scientist looks like, do you? Because what you wrote here does not have much to do with it at all.
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Want more proof, tha Japanese beat us with the low mpg transportation.
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Europe does so too. This has nothing to do with theoratical science. Its about practical appliation of well established theories. And about how American customers until lately gave a fuck about mpg... (otherwise your cars would be already for a long time more efficient and SUVs never would have come into existance)