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without quoting just a few simple remarks.
1. You are again quoting CNN which always dramatises the news. 2000+ bodies? Yes perhaps, but would they maybe be fighters? So yes, the graves can be real (believe it or not, people die in war), but it has never been established nor proven that those people were in fact civilians. Also none of those graves date prior to the 24th of march.
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It's interesting, how easily you brush off any reports of mass graves and ethnic cleansing. You ask "2,000 bodies?" You present yourself as a very informed person on this subject, so why would you be asking me "2,000 bodies?" If you really have taken the time to research what went on in Kosovo for its history, shouldn't you know how many people were killed there by the Serbs?
Also, you criticize me for using CNN as a source but then when I use the UN report of massacres here:
24th of March Approaching you completely ignore it.
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Also, reading the report it does say that above 5000 people left Racak. Well of course they would leave, there is fighting going on there. However that does not constitute Ethnic Cleansing. Ethnic cleansing is when you purposly move a certain ethnicity from certain area denying it to return.
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Uh, did you miss the bolded part where it said that the serbs committed a "massacre" upon the Kosovar Albanians? That is ethnic cleansing.
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That happened in Krajina region where Croatians frocefully removed over 200 000 serbs, it happend in Srebrenica, where about 50 000 Muslims were evicted. BUT NOT IN KOSOVO! People there were fleeing the fighting, and once the operation siezed they returned. Also ethnic cleansing is meant to happen everywhere not in "one village", and that clearly wasn't the case.
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It's a shame. You acknowledge ethnic cleansing that is inflicted upon the Serbs, but you deny it when the Serbs did it to the Kosovar Albanians. I even bolded the "massacre" sentence for you, but you ignored it.
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2. I'm happy for you to go trough 1400 years of history (that is when Serbs first came on the Balkans) and I'm 1000000% sure that you won't find any dark marks on our history. No dark marks agains the Albanians nor against any other nationality. Keep in mind that in the same time Serbs have been brutally executed in the 20th century alone by Albanians (who supported Hitler), Croatians (who actually did comit a genocide against serbs), Hungarians (Another of Hitlers Allys, and also they did commit lots of crimes in WW1, 1914), and Bulgarians.
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I just found a dark mark and you completely ignored it. There are also others there as well.
Serbs settling on lands inhabited already by the Albanians:
A Short History of Kosovo
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Slavs crossed the Danube and moved into the Balkans by the 6th century. These migrations weakened the Byzantium Empire sufficiently that Illyrian speaking people, known to their neighbors as Albanians moved eastward from the Adriatic into the Kosovo region of the Balkans. Their language became known as Albanian and their culture became allied with Byzantium after the breakup of the Catholic Church into Eastern and western branches in 1054. Slavs migrating into the Balkans divided into three groups; Slovenes, Croats and Serbs, as is still true today. By the 12th century almost all arable land in the region now known as Northern Albania and Kosovo was in Slavic hands.
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Massacre committed by Serbs prior to WWI:
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In the first Balkan War of 1912 Albania was attacked by Montenegro, Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece. The Albanians were allied with the Ottomans. Serbs joined the army in large numbers to avenge the Serbian defeat by the Turks at the Battle of Kosovo Polje. At this time Kosovo was mostly Albanian. Serbs entered Pristina as Albanians retreated to the mountains. The Serbian army destroyed Turkish and Albanian houses and there was much plundering and killing. Serb peasants followed the army into Kosovo re-occupying the land.
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Sebs again committing massacres on the Kosovar Albanians after WWI:
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Austria-Hungarian and Bulgarian troops moved into Kosovo. The Serb armies were beaten decisively and in what is known as " The Great Serbian Retreat" made a disastrous trek across Kosovo and the snow- covered mountains of Albania. The army was accompanied by thousands of Serb civilians who were terrified by what they had heard about the fate of Belgium at the hands of the Axis powers. The best estimate is that 100,000 Serbs lost their lives during this grueling retreat. Kosovo was occupied by Austria-Hungary and Bulgaria. Many Kosovar Albanians joined the Austria- Hungarian army. Albanian language schools were opened to undermine the Serbian presence. After the tide of battle turned against Austria-Hungary in 1918 the Serb army took revenge massacring women and children and destroying homes. In retaliation guerilla warfare against the Serbs was relentless.
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Serbs using racist laws to remove Kosovar Albanians:
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In the period 1918-1941, between the two world wars, colonization of Kosovo by Serbian settlers was attempted. Land was appropriated from Albanians illegally and Albanians were encouraged to leave. Some Albanians resisted.
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Serbia "stepping up" ethnic cleansing in Kosovo after the NATO bombing campaign:
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Instead Yugoslavia stepped up its war with the KLA and close to a million Kosovars were driven out of Kosovo mostly by the Serbs but to some extent by the bombing itself. Most of the vacated homes in Kosovo were burned by Serbs.
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Lot of "dark spots" there. If you don't see them, that is your prerogative. That doesn't change the fact that they exist though.
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4. I don't know why are you mentioning Holocaust? I do not deny it and never will, but I will remind you that the map of Balkans today looks very simmilar to the map that Hitler put in place in 1941. Actually it looks exactly the same with the difference that Vojvodina (northern Serbia) is controlled by Serbia not Croatia/Hungary.
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I mentioned "Holocaust denial style" not the Holocaust. If you want to understand what I am saying, then you could of course just read what I am saying and understand what I am saying, as opposed to changing what I say into something that makes no sense and then not understanding that.
Your denial of any depravities committed by Serbians is very similar to how Holocaust deniers deny that Nazi's did any depravities. That's what my comment means.
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