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Old 01-13-2008, 02:06 PM   #21 (permalink)
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What canadate do our enemies approve of? I know the liberal media won't ask this. It would would be anyone in their party starting with Obama.(I think not putting his hand on his heart durring our national anthem is a good how do you do to our enemies) So which canadate do you guys and gals think our enemies are salavating for?
Difficult question. Bush is not a candidate anymore. It should be a candidate who promises that after Iraq, Iran comes next as failed state. No better breeding ground for terrorists than failed states...
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Old 01-13-2008, 02:35 PM   #22 (permalink)
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What canadate do our enemies approve of? I know the liberal media won't ask this. It would would be anyone in their party starting with Obama.(I think not putting his hand on his heart durring our national anthem is a good how do you do to our enemies) So which canadate do you guys and gals think our enemies are salavating for?
Is that it? Is that all you've got on Obama, him not putting his hand over his heart? Is there some other reason that you're calling him unpatriotic?
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To answer the question, I would say Ron Paul is probably the one that Al Qaeda would like to see win the election. If you asked Ron Paul personally, I'd be willing to bet that he would say that it's alright if Al Qaeda wants to turn the Middle East into an Islammic Caliphate based on radical Islam and global jihad.

Someone should pose that question to Ron Paul if there is ever another YouTube debate: would it be acceptable to you if Al Qaeda overthrew every government in the Middle East, and unified all of those countries under radical Islam and global jihad?
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Old 01-13-2008, 04:25 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I don't know how many al Qaeda members there are, but most legitimate sources say there were 500-1,000 at the beginning of the war. I know that number has increased (which we can blame ourselves for, for having no strategy for this war) but even if it's at 20,000, how in the world would they take over any of the nation in the Middle East? Some of these nations have enormous military strength.
We provide economic and/or military aid to Jordan, Egypt, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia. I would presume that the CIA is also involved in fighting terrorists throughout the Middle East. Our military power and involvement in the world is also a fact that causes secular leaders to see the US as a reliable ally. When you remove all of that, it's like pulling out the foundations of a dam, and all the water will rush out. The radical Islammic forces are constantly pushing on country's like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt and Algeria. Just a little bit more pushing can topple the leaders of those countries and make them anti-Western.
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Pretty much all of them. Because they ARE our enemies.
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Still it shows who started this conflict in the first place.
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Simply put, our enemies want a democrat to win. A democrat they know will pull us out and negotiate with the likes of Ahmadinejad, who has stated over and over, they will bury Israel and then the United States...
...According to Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as:

The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[13]

Norouzi's translation is identical.[12] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[14] the source. for more...
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That Ahmad Dinejad supports that "hope" with repeated statements such as this as well as funding terrorist groups such as Hizballah doesn't make it any better now, does it? Why is it that people try to sugarcoat Ahmad Dinejad's true intentions? Iran is already trying to "wipe Israel off the map" by doing these things.

Anyhow, WEB hit it right on the head with Ron Paul, imho. He has the worst foreign policy plan ever presented in the history of the United States. We'd sit on our thumbs while the world goes to shit.

To make matters worse, his economic plans are horrible. Sure, it'd be great not to have an income tax, but at the expense of our military? We become weak while islamic fundamentalism grows and becomes more powerful! Quite patriotic of you, Ron. Way to stick to the constitution. Change the 14th amendment while you're at it, hypocrite.
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I have no idea what Ron Paul would say if this string of assumptions and hypotheticals were brought to him.
Sounds like a good reason to me to vote for someone.

Would your candidate say that radical Islam can take over the Middle East?

It's a definite possibility.

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IMO, however, we're only going to dig ourselves in to a deeper hole militarily, politically, and monetarily if we continue what we're doing. So, if we're going to continue to treat the Middle East as if the nations within can't handle their own problems we're looking at a long road of economic issues ahead.
What's done is done. The costs of the Iraq war have largely been paid. It's not my position that we need to launch a ground offensive on Iran or anything. Arguing against that strawman is no different than arguing against the North American Union conspiracy theory.
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To make matters worse, his economic plans are horrible. Sure, it'd be great not to have an income tax, but at the expense of our military? We become weak while islamic fundamentalism grows and becomes more powerful! Quite patriotic of you, Ron. Way to stick to the constitution. Change the 14th amendment while you're at it, hypocrite.
Tim Russet projected that ending the income tax would cut federal revenues by $1 trillion, or about 50% of the federal government's revenues. That means massive cuts for all departments: the military, infrastructure, as well as Social Security and Medicare. Aside from abandoning the necessities of any nation state, it's saying to all the baby-boomers, yeah we raided your SSI, and you ain't gettin that shit back, brother!
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