What canadate do our enemies approve of? - Page 2 - Political Forum

oldscutlas · 01-12-2008, 06:59 PM

Perhaps thinking about who other countries (I refuse to call any human being an enemy) want in the oval office should be part of america's decision on who our next leader will be!!!

We need a president that is willing to sit down and talk to other nations before attacking or threatening to attack!!

The folly of pre-emptive war and occupation of other nations was proven in Iraq!!!

So maybe asking who our "enemies" want to be president is a valid question..... BUt not in the context that you are thinking!!!!!!!!

Roundeye · 01-12-2008, 11:10 PM

I bet I know who China would like to see as President. They sure have missed Bill.

Clinton Gave China Chips for Nuclear War

GOP Keeps Up Heat On Possible Clinton-China Links - April 23, 1998

Time Line of Clinton China Decisions [FROM MSNBC, MAY 27, 1998] (Congressional Record - House of Representatives - June 18, 1998)

NewsMax - America's News Page

Charleston Patriot · 01-13-2008, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Roundeye

I bet I know who China would like to see as President. They sure have missed Bill.

Clinton Gave China Chips for Nuclear War

GOP Keeps Up Heat On Possible Clinton-China Links - April 23, 1998

Time Line of Clinton China Decisions [FROM MSNBC, MAY 27, 1998] (Congressional Record - House of Representatives - June 18, 1998)

NewsMax - America's News Page

Well, hell......Hillary has already been cought taking donations from China .

The fun never stops with those two. I see more questionable donations to the Clintons than to any other canadate. And when the doners get cought the Clintons bale on them quick.

Grand Forks Herald

If a Republican had the same fundraising record as Hillary, the media would be all over him like a pack of rabid dogs.

Shiva_TD · 01-13-2008, 10:19 AM

Perhaps ironic I would state that our enemies don't want to be our enemies. They would rather have someone in the White House that would bring peace instead of bringing war around the world. When you look at the reasons behind most of the major conflicts it is US military (or CIA paramilitary) activities that are the root cause of the conflict. War, by its very nature, creates enemies. If the US stops waging war it would lose a lot of enemies.

Jaywood1075 · 01-13-2008, 10:36 AM

Simply put, our enemies want a democrat to win. A democrat they know will pull us out and negotiate with the likes of Ahmadinejad, who has stated over and over, they will bury Israel and then the United States. Remember peace thru strength.

I remember the 80's when Ronald Reagan was protested and hated and as was often said " he will start WWIII", well history has taught us that we must stand for is right.

It's not surprising to hear those stating its america's fault, it always is, unfortunately it's totally false, and the democrats continue to take this stand.

oldscutlas · 01-13-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaywood1075

Simply put, our enemies want a democrat to win. A democrat they know will pull us out and negotiate with the likes of Ahmadinejad, who has stated over and over, they will bury Israel and then the United States. Remember peace thru strength.

I remember the 80's when Ronald Reagan was protested and hated and as was often said " he will start WWIII", well history has taught us that we must stand for is right.

It's not surprising to hear those stating its america's fault, it always is, unfortunately it's totally false, and the democrats continue to take this stand.

I dare you to find me one single quote where ahmadinejad says he will bury isreal and then the US!!!! Perhaps you need a little history behind the overall conflict in the ME.

1. The current ongoing conflict started in 1948 when the US and european nations decided to Take away a sizable portion of land from palestine jordan and egypt and gave it to the jewish people in recompense for the holocaust!!
(Why does palestine have to pay for Germany's war crimes!! I never understood the reasoning behind that!! Explain it to me will you. Because last I knew the only recorded history of the jewish people owning that land historically is their own holy book!!!!)

2. 1967 israel attacked an otherwise peaceful palestine in a large land grab! that is when the rest of the arab world decided that the UN would not restrict Isreal from taking land and started taking steps to curb isreal efforts to own the land that their "god" promised them in the Tora. (WHich if we are to believe it would extend isreal to the euphrates river and beyond.)

3. Today A Washington lobbyist group is taking money from Isreal, and virtually owns the capitol building and white house, is ensuring that The US doesn't start looking at the conflict objectively. Any reasonable, logical human who looked at the facts objectively would see the horror that isreal is inflicting on the palestinian people In the past and today.

Why was Iran pursuing the nuclear bomb? Because they wanted to counteract the nuclear arsenal that isreal has pointed at the rest of the Arab world.

No my friend Iran and the muslim world didn't start this conflict. The UN did!!!!!!!!!

Trikala · 01-13-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by oldscutlas

I dare you to find me one single quote where ahmadinejad says he will bury isreal and then the US!!!! Perhaps you need a little history behind the overall conflict in the ME.

1. The current ongoing conflict started in 1948 when the US and european nations decided to Take away a sizable portion of land from palestine jordan and egypt and gave it to the jewish people in recompense for the holocaust!!

That isn't quite true. The conflict started well before 1948 with the Balfour Declaration in 1917 in which the British government declared its support for a Jewish homeland. Following that declaration Jewish immigration and purchase of Palestinian lands significantly increased. The impending conflict accelerated with the appointment, by the British government, of Haj Amin el-Husseini as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in 1921. He began the campaign of manufactured hatred that eventually resulted in open warfare. It should be noted Haj Amin was a supporter of Adolph Hitler and barely escaped prosecution as a war criminal for his role in the massacre of over 400,000 European Jews. The United States took no active role in the establishment of Israel and in fact opposed it originally.

Charleston Patriot · 01-13-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiva_TD

Perhaps ironic I would state that our enemies don't want to be our enemies.

Soooooo........Those poor misunderstood terrorists were forced by the warlord hands of the US to crash planes into our super structures? Please tell me your not one of those ignorant, lemmings that thinks we deserved 911.

If you feel such sympathy for the countries that want to kill our citizens, go spend a week (if you live that long) in palestine.

Hatred of the United States and the West

Brother Oz · 01-13-2008, 12:13 PM

I assume that by "enemies" you are referring primarily to Al-Qaeda and other Jihadist groups.
Now, Al-Qaeda's goal, and that of most other Jihadist groups is to a)remove western influence in Muslim countries, b)spread their version of Islam, and c)once they have control of Muslim countries, subjugate non-Muslim countries.
So, what most of the junior members will want is a US president who pulls out of the Middle East completely, leaving a simple battle between them and the Arab League, which they believe they can easily win.
The senior members may want the same thing. But more likely, what they want is for the US to stay in the region, but weakly, and with the backing of a President who is incompetent and has no problem with torture, rendition, etc, etc. This would allow them to point to the inevitable mistakes that would be made as "atrocities", to whip up stories about innocent Muslims being kidnapped by evil American soldiers, etc. This will allow them to gain more recruits. If America is working with Arab governments, this will also allow them to paint Arab governments as tools of the infidels. With a weak American presence, Al-Qaeda could beat them, which would be the ultimate morale boost.
If America left before that completely, however, it depends on the level of violence in Iraq. If things were peaceful and American troops simply aren't needed, Al-Qaeda would have a tough job on its hands. However, if America left when things were bad, then Al-Qaeda could again paint this as it's own victory.
What the leaders of the Jihadists would probably most like is a very overtly Christian, or even better, Jewish President, especially one who talks about how his religion makes him believe this war should be fought, as that feeds their propaganda about a massive Crusader/Zionist conspiracy to destroy Islam.

oldscutlas · 01-13-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Trikala

That isn't quite true. The conflict started well before 1948 with the Balfour Declaration in 1917 in which the British government declared its support for a Jewish homeland. Following that declaration Jewish immigration and purchase of Palestinian lands significantly increased. The impending conflict accelerated with the appointment, by the British government, of Haj Amin el-Husseini as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in 1921. He began the campaign of manufactured hatred that eventually resulted in open warfare. It should be noted Haj Amin was a supporter of Adolph Hitler and barely escaped prosecution as a war criminal for his role in the massacre of over 400,000 European Jews. The United States took no active role in the establishment of Israel and in fact opposed it originally.

OK you got me there I guess I didn't go back quite far enough!! although I think I covered the majority of the escalation points.

Still it shows who started this conflict in the first place.