Apawollo, this argument I've heard so many times. It is the main arguemnt of hte far right wing here that says apartheid is not racist. They then challenge their critics to listen to all the speeches and interviews with the father of apartheid, HF Verwoerd. He was a proffesor in Sociology before he went into politics and became prime minister. And honestly - he never said anything racist. He went out of his way not to say anything racist. But the clear fact is that he's policies proof him to be THE racist.

Same here with RP. He may not have said anything racist in his intervies, he may not have written anything racist himself, but he has allowed for so long that racist things be printed under his name in his newsletter/ Now come on, can you really ask why tht makes people wonder?

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I don't think the issue has ever come up for Ron Paul. I've seen almost all of the debates he's been in. Ron Paul only talks about the same thing everytime: his ideas about the Federal Reserve and Iraq. No one that I've ever seen has asked him about what he thinks about black people.

I know it's a Paulist tendency to blame everything on a conspiracy theory, but please do allow Ron Paul to take responsibility for his own newsletter. Thanks.

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The links work for me. However, try putting this into Google and maybe you can get it in a different way:

The New Republic Selections From Ron Paul's Newsletters

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You're right Apawllo, let's lay this conspiracy theory business to rest. So anyway, who's fault is it that the Ron Paul's newsletter is coming to light now? Is the federal reserve engaged in a conspiracy right now? Is the US and Mexico engaged in a conspiracy right now? Is the government engaged in a conspiracy to tag and monitor each individual and spy on them like the USSR or North Korea? Are there aliens in Area 51?

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Ron Paul NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER had a chance to be President of the United States. You don't get to be President of the US, when you say that it's the US' fault for 9/11. It's like trying to be the Chairman of China and saying that China deserved the Rape of Nanking, or being Chancellor of Germany and saying that Germany deserved the bombing of Dresden. When something bad happens to your country and you blame your country for it, you automatically lose.

This newsletter is not what killed Paul's campaign. Paul's campaign was still born from its inception. Ron Paul is merely a spoiler who gives candidates more difficulty dealing with each other. He can never actually win himself.

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If you can prove (with evidence or a reliable source) that Ron Paul fired his publisher and in the 1990's denounced this material, I will take all of the Ron Paul links out of my signature immediately.

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meh, he's a racist, who cares? who ISNT racist? honestly?

i work everyday with black, hispanic, and middle eastern co-workers, get all sorts of shit for being white, and hear so much shit about the white devil, people tell me "yes, mastah" when i assign tasks for employees to do, then when we close up shop, we head out, get some beers and call it a day. no biggie. do i know theyre being serious? yes, sorta. do any of us care? nope.

hell, the most racist stuff i ever hear at work is from the middle eastern muslim dude, but if any of us is hungry, he's the first to offer to pick up some food (and no not to spit in it. lmao. hell even if he did,i dont care, he paid for it) im not saying im pure, ive made my share of jokes about black people and chicken (usually when we're fighting over the last chicken wing) and i KNOW we've all "begged" the couple muslim dudes at work not to blow us up. hell, just tonight, i had an irate customer who was yelling and screaming about killing me and beating my ass, to which i just rolled my eyes said ok, and waited for her to leave. the crew (which was majority black) were pretty much all telling me i should call the police, to which i responded; "the police?! and you call yourselves black?!" was anyone offended? probably not just like the white people arent offended when everyone talks about us coming into work and shooting everyone up cause we're angry. .(and no i didnt call the police. i can take care of myself, especially with all my crew behind me in case something actually happened, and yes, they would come to my aid, just as i to theirs)


my point is, the only people who get worked up about racism, are the liberals in the north who live in a mostly white area, and dont know what co-existing is really like, whiney liberals with nothing productive to do, and liberals who are trying to enslave minorities with drugs and welfare instead of encouraging INDIVIDUALS to be the best person they can be.

we're all DIFFERENT and thats how its always going to be. no set of laws is going to change that. What people COMMONLY mistake for racism is actually freedom. i believe in equal OPPORTUNITY, not equal OUTCOMES. thats not racism.
of course, if we're talking about people like those on stormfront, theyre just out of their minds.

they take valid issues like minority crime rates and sexual deviancy, and turn it into reasons to commit genocide. thats crazy. now, a comment like what was written in the ron paul newsletter or whatever it was called, saying to arm yourself to protect yourself from animals, thats not so far fetched. if you're living in an urban area, and suddenly, the neigborhood starts turning into a slum, i can understand some reaction. you see thugs and criminals all around, and the first instinct to come forward is self preservation.

eh, fuck it, im not even going to go on defending it. its all emotions and perspective, and i have no idea of the writers perspective. i DO know however, that many black leaders in the 60's felt the same way. white people caused the same kind of fear in black people back then, and many black people who just wanted to live honestly armed themselves for their survival. its human nature. unless ron paul is seriously calling for genocide, or to treat people as animals SOLELY based on skin color, i could care less.

If you believe that shit, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Up in the North we don't have kids putting nooses under trees to keep things segregated. Up in the North we don't have mass protests to get the Confederate flag removed from state capital buildings. That is a privilege reserved to the "co-existing" South.

Believing that fighting against racism is trying to hand out welfare is an extreme form of ignorance to say the least. If you think that racism is OK, then I think that tells us more about the interconnection between your ideas on race and economic policy than about so-called liberals.

In any case, most of my friends are white, although I admit that my friends are all sorts of different nationalities, Indian, Italian, Chinese, Korean, black, etc. We make racist jokes all the time. However, they are just jokes. Saying that blacks are animals in a published work is not a joke, and you'd have to have some kind of hidden agenda to argue that it is.

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I agreed with a lot of what he had to say about drug laws there but he’s wrong in saying he’s the only candidate talking about it. Kucinich Dodd and Gravel all brought the issue up during the race as well.

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Ron Paul can't help it if neo nazis like him.

He could have helped it by taking charge of his own newsletter (if indeed you do believe him when he says that he was ignorant of the contents of his own newsletter).

The Black Panthers liked MLK.

Did they, or did they like Malcolm X and consider MLK an "Uncle Tom"? Did MLK ever have a newsletter that said "kill whitey"? I think not.

The Klan liked David Duke....wooops bad example. The Ron Paul people defend the rest of that stuff by saying the newsletter was written and distributed without his knowlege of the racist content. I just can't see a Presidential candidate having provable ties to Racism or Racists getting this far without every news service in the world going after him with investigative pieces, that's good money that racist stuff.

Well somebody in "the New Republic" journal did just that.


Look DuBois we know that kind of shit exists, and I will personally blacken the eyes of any racist spewing bastard who has the stupidity to start up in my face, but I don't see it here with Ron Paul.
If it were proven to me that RP is a racist. I would not vote for him. Your evidence is not definitive though you may feel it is.

The evidence is definitive. Paul wasn't even in Congress when a lot of that racist stuff was being put out there, so that undermines the I was too busy to notice argument. I'm glad you disapprove of racism, however I just wonder what the point of having a Ron Paul newsletter is, if the person doing the writing for it is completely unknown to Ron Paul. That's a big question mark.

You were hoping he would fail, you saw it one way, I was hoping he would do well. I saw it another. It was his toughest interview of all. If RP were to tell everything Russert asked in detail, lot's of government workers would find out they'll loose thier jobs. Reducing government till you actually have control of it will be painfull. RP can fix America but it's gonna hurt before it gets better. Americans don't want to hear that. They just want to paint over the dry rot and go back to watching Survivor.

No I wasn't hoping he would fail. I thought he would do much better than he actually did. I was surprised to see that Ron Paul is not just a lunatic, but a hypocrite as well: putting in earmarks and then voting against them just so that he can say that he opposes earmarks. Ron Paul doesn't even have the basics right of a decent candidate.

So when you say that RP withheld information to spare people's feelings, is that the right thing for a Presidential candidate to do? Keep his plans a secret from the American people because it would hurt their feelings if they found out right away?

I would think that comparing Ron Paul to despotic maniacs with delusions of grandure and conquest isn't a valid comparrison. Ron Paul is a non interventionalist.
The way this country is trending we won't have many corporations, working class adults, or financial help anyway unless somebody does something drastic, something that may give discomfort to the financially entrenched.

We won't have many corporations if Ron Paul doesn't win? Walmart, oil companies and most other companies seem to be making out like bandits, like they've been doing ever since the days of trusts in Teddy Roosevelt's days. How are corporations not doing well?

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