I think are people are blind with the word "change" and on what it means.

Yes, people want the change. But what is his change? Thats what I'm confused about him sense he is unknown. Do we know what he has done, nope. So what kind of change is he going to produce? He is not a good talker like people say. He stumbles upon words, which kind of makes me race my eyebrows which means not experience.

Herbert Hoover reminds me of George W. Bush. We don't need a another Franklin Roosevelt telling us hope, we need some damn change now. Not words to cope us on. I'm sick of hearing change and experience. Those two words in the elections just need to disappear. But some people have become blind with those words.

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I don't know where you are getting the he's not a good speaker and stumbles over words remark. He's a great speaker and never stumbles. If you were right, then he would not be beating the front runner. Since he is beating the frontrunner, apparently your claims are not true.

I do think that things will not change THAT much if Obama is elected President. Democrats and Republicans will remain partisan and politics will go on as usual. We will still fight over the issues.

I think things would be more partisan if Hillary is elected though.

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Thanks for the welcoming.

Well when hes talking to a crowd, yes hes good a speaker with charisma. But when it comes to serious question he does stumble and it doesn't come out to clearly.

Can you give an example?

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Just go to youtube and search for recent debate like New Hampire. He uses a lot of "uhhh" in his speech and hes answers don't really come as forward which tends to be safe. Thats probably why hes winning because hes campaign is to safe. It could be why Hillary is not getting enough vote sense she comes across as to strong.

I've seen almost all of the Democratic debates. Obama's "uhh's" last for about 0.5 seconds and they are followed by very coherent and clear comments. Your comments about his answers not coming forward describes every politician, but I don't think they really describe Obama.

I think that the opposite is true of your assessment of Hillary and Obama. Hillary is losing because she is trying to play it safe, while Obama is winning because he is campaigning for change.

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I'm having some trouble getting a handle on Obama. The repetition of the word "change" won't guarantee change, and he's going to need a seasoned old DC person to help him navigate if he's elected President - he's going to play with the big boys then and change won't be so effortless as just saying it. So I'm not at all sure how effective he'll be in whatever change he's calling for.

I listen to his speeches on C-Span and it all seems like pie in the sky to me, with a lot of calls for a more paternalistic state anyhow (something I dislike regardless) and a ton of "change and hope" tossed in by an effective speaker, and I just feel it's all sort of.. gauzy.

Unlike most people, I think a more seasoned Republican would make hash of Obama later in debates and during the campaign, when Obama is going to be nailed to all sorts of positions that will make Americans think of both safety and their wallets, and then it won't be so effortless.

Kind of looking forward to it, I want to see the Republican get nailed too. I want a lot more specifics and actual animosity in the race to bring out truths about these people, because right now they all seem to be getting a bit of a ride.

But I think Obama is an incredibly good speaker, I don't see him fumbling at all with his words or hemming and hawing a lot.

If they go after race as an issue, they'll lose any vote I might ever have considered for the Republican, I can tell you that. I think a lot of people would be disgusted and put off by something that incredibly sleazy. At least I hope so. Dunno, people can be mighty crass. But I think that would be a very bad idea.

I just want to see whoever is nominated on either side have very clear cut issues, clear plans they want to put into effect, be very clear on how they'd handle foreign policy, and I want a discussion about that, a good, sometimes vitriolic discussion (I think sometimes it's good to see candidates under pressure or how they act when they get mad), and I'd like to make a choice this year on something other than a bunch of flimsy promises and marketing tools (like the word "change", which is starting to bug the crap out of me, to be honest).

May be too much to ask for, eh? But Obama, I realy want some hard and pat answers and for him to be really put to the test before I'll just give in and say "Ohh, hope! Hope, change, prosperity, everything's gonna be all right!", which is what seems to be happening to some foks.

If Obama becomes the nominee, he is going to be bombed and strafed using race-baiting tactics regardless of which Republican is running against him.

I don't think McCain would tolerate it in his campaign, but there will be people outside of McCain's campaign that do it for him.



You ain't seen nothin' yet. There will be Obama and Osama "slips" and I wouldn't be surprised if we got a little they're comin' for our women too. There should also be some nice Obama is a muslim terrorist attacks too.

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I hope you're wrong, I really do. If the election degenerates to that extent, I will definitely be looking at a third party to protest that kind of politicking. I mean if I find I disagree with Obama on issues, that is. I won't vote for race any more than I'll vote against race, it's all about issues to me and if I think Obama's gonna raise my taxes, make government even more enormous, or screw up mightily in the international scene I won't vote for him.

But I sure as hell won't vote for any party that attempts to pull stunts like the ones you mentioned.

As an aside, I haven't seen the whole ad there, I don't understand, what the hell is that about?

Oops. nevermind, looked it up myself here!

Tennessee ad ignites GOP squabbling - Politics - MSNBC.com

Nasty ad... and not on the issues at all, see. I hate politics when it gets like that.