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Old 01-07-2008, 11:19 AM   #11 (permalink)
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If Obama gets the nomination, the only way he stands a chance is with Biden as his VP to make up for his total lack of experience. Regardless I think a McCain/Romney ticket would annihilate them.
He'd never be able to control Biden's mouth.
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Old 01-07-2008, 12:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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How much foreign policy experience did Bill Clinton have when he first ran in '92? Is it really that big an issue?
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Old 01-07-2008, 04:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Shiva_TD;126157]The Republican candidates are also saying that they will "change the course" and many will believe them. To discount the Republican chances is foolish.
None of them running for President except (no chance Ron Paul) is saying that. Everyone wants to stay in Iraq. Everyone thinks Bush did most everything right. Some might want to be a little tougher on immigration.

There's no change at all if you stick with the pubbies... in fact it could get worse.

I encourage everyone not to underestimate the Republicans but continue the tidal wave Obama has started from where we are now to HOPE & CHANGE!


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Hope you change your mind during the run up to the election. And I think Clark could be a good choice as VP as well.
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Old 01-07-2008, 09:15 PM   #14 (permalink)
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At least the others have the dignity to pledge their heart to this country.
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Old 01-07-2008, 09:21 PM   #15 (permalink)
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No Republican ticket can win in 08. It's CHANGE, CHANGE, CHANGE from anything Bush and that includes his Party.
You might want to convey your logic to President Sarkozy of France, providing you even understanding my reference.
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Old 01-07-2008, 09:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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To the question of whether foreign policy experience is needed at all (see Bill Clinton).... this is a very different time than when Mr. Clinton took office.

I would argue these current times are far different than we've dealt with in a very long time. We are still at war in Iraq, terrorism is still a huge threat, bin Laden and al Qaeda are still out there and Pakistan is having major issues. Those are just a few cases.

The reason I think we need a president, or at least a VP with foreign policy experience, is because the world needs to know that the leaders of America know what they're doing.

Bush has damaged our credibility around the world on foreign policy issues and we must regain that.

As much as domestic issues - health care, gas prices, immigration - are on the forefront of discussion now, national security is still a huge deal. We do not want another 9-11.

So my point is this. We better have someone in the White House who knows what he's doing when it comes to world affairs or we're going to continue to have trouble dealing with the major events that are taking place.

We know Obama doesn't have that type of experience, and really that's OK so long as his VP and Sec. of State have great knowledge and experience in those issues.

We need someone in the White House who can call these world leaders, like Musharraf, and talk to them personally. And that person needs to have the respect of the world leaders. We don't earn respect just by being the United States anymore. We have to earn it.

A guy like Biden could be just what Obama needs to handle the foreign policy side of things, at least until Obama becomes more up to speed on handling world affairs.

I know it sounds like on-the-job training, but sometimes you take what you can get. Obama has inspired this country, especially the young people, and I honestly think he can reshape the direction of America. He can give us a new sense of nationwide patriotism again. If it takes him a little time to learn how to be an all-around president, that's fine with me.

Considering none of the candidates have been president before, they all would need some on-the-job training. The real question is who can ignite a new sprit into this country and regain the population's respect for its government.

I believe that man is Barack Obama.

He'd be a great leader. And that's exactly what we need at this time.
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While I don't agree with much of Obama's ideas I think he could be an honest, decent person so I would much much rather have him than that piece of garbage Clinton.
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Old 01-07-2008, 09:45 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I know it sounds like on-the-job training, but sometimes you take what you can get. Obama has inspired this country, especially the young people, and I honestly think he can reshape the direction of America. He can give us a new sense of nationwide patriotism again. If it takes him a little time to learn how to be an all-around president, that's fine with me.
What the hell does that mean? We are talking about the electing the leader of the world's only superpower and you are saying sometimes we take what we can get? There are a dozen candidates running for President. Surely, we can do better than taking what we can get.

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Considering none of the candidates have been president before, they all would need some on-the-job training.
Not nearly as much as he would. Clinton has been in politics for 35 years. Romney was a governor and a CEO. Huckabee was also a governor. Richardson is a governor and also held three cabinet positions under the Clinton Administrations. McCain is in his fourth term as a U.S. Senator.

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The real question is who can ignite a new sprit into this country and regain the population's respect for its government.
No the real question is who will keep this country defended while we're in a war with global jihadists because if they ever succeed at getting their hands on nukes and using them none of this other bullshit will even matter.

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He'd be a great leader. And that's exactly what we need at this time.
You believe that he'd be a great leader based on what? Because he gives a great speech? Hitler was a motivational guy too and was very charismatic and we all know how that turned out. Sure, Obama might be able to change the country but you are assuming that will equate to a good change. How do you know it wouldn't be worse? The guy is all talk and no substance. Name one accomplishment Barack Obama has achieved as either a state senator or U.S. Senator.

This is why we end up with sub par people in government because there are lot of people out there like you who are so easily sucked in.
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Old 01-07-2008, 09:57 PM   #19 (permalink)
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While I don't agree with much of Obama's ideas I think he could be an honest, decent person
I think that he is probably a fairly honest person as well, but how does that qualify him to become leader of the free world? He needs to have a hell of a lot more than honesty and giving a good speech and I'm not seeing it.
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Old 01-07-2008, 09:59 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I think that he is probably a fairly honest person as well, but how does that qualify him to become leader of the free world? He needs to have a hell of a lot more than honesty and giving a good speech and I'm not seeing it.
Considering how experienced politicians of the past turned out to be the absolute worst, I'd say honesty is in dire need here.
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