McCain & Huckabee vs Romney - Giuliani Staying Out of Drama - Political Forum

superdude17* · 12-25-2007, 09:40 PM

Boston Globe

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John McCain and Mike Huckabee have become unusual allies, united by their desire to stop Mitt Romney from winning the early presidential nominating contests in Iowa and New Hampshire.
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While Huckabee and McCain have repeatedly criticized Romney, they have showered each other with affection. McCain has lauded Huckabee as "a man of integrity, honesty, and decency." And Huckabee has praised McCain as "a true, honest-to-God American hero."

The warmth between them may be heartfelt, but both men recognize that they need each other over the next two weeks. McCain needs Huckabee to beat Romney in Iowa's Republican caucuses on Jan. 3, so that Romney is weakened for the New Hampshire primary five days later. And Huckabee needs McCain to draw votes from Romney in Iowa. Polls indicate McCain and Romney are in a statistical tie in New Hampshire, and Huckabee is leading Romney In Iowa.

The alliance between the folksy former Arkansas governor and the irreverent Arizona senator has been one of the stranger story lines to emerge in the Republican race.

McCain, after all, has had a rocky relationship with evangelical voters since he criticized Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson during the 2000 presidential campaign, saying their message of "intolerance" hurt the Republican Party and America. Huckabee, meanwhile, has rocketed to the top of the Iowa polls and the top tier of national candidates by courting evangelical voters and marketing himself in his ads as a "Christian leader."

McCain and Huckabee have put aside whatever differences each might have in the interests of blocking Romney, said Dante J. Scala, a University of New Hampshire political scientist. At presidential debates, and whenever they cross paths on the campaign trail, McCain and Huckabee swap compliments. Their campaigns have resisted circulating the sort of "opposition research" and negative news articles on each other that they routinely send out on Romney.

A Rino and a Rino form alliance against a Rino. These two are making Giuliani look conservative. Exactly what he needs right now. Thanks guys!!!

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 12-25-2007, 10:42 PM

The problem for Giuliani remains him losing the first two primaries by wide margins. If he doesn't get a first in Nevada or Michigan, then I think he's in deep crap.

Caltex · 12-25-2007, 10:57 PM

If McCain wins New Hampshire and Iowa, the race is his. He's already within statistical error in NH, and closing fast in Iowa. I'm predicting a McCain surprise. Giuliani is done if he loses all the early states, I don't care what anyone says, he will lose much of his suport when they all see him losing state after state.

Anthony Salm · 12-25-2007, 11:20 PM

Frankly I find it quite entertaining to watch the Republicans bicker amongst themselves over non-issues such as who has the "real" religion and who was cutting Romney's lawn. It makes all of them look small-minded and backward-looking. Ron Paul, as ridiculous as he is, at least mixes it up a little on Iraq.

None of the the Republicans seem to be focussing on the issues that matter to Americans: the economy and health care. None of them want to associate themselves with George W. Bush either.

The Democrats, despite their imperfections, are talking more about what they would do in the future than about who did what in the past. The more the Republicans bog themselves down in these petty arguments, the more they demonstrate how unworthy they are to lead this country.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 12-25-2007, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rodog

Dude, it is impossible to have a reasonable debate with you. Rudy staying out of the drama? The other presidential candidates making him look conservative? Come on.

ro,

I'll just tell you this because you don't have the experience of being on political forums to know any better. I mean this as no insult to dude, just a statement of reality. dude is a partisan. If you stay on this forum for the next few years, this is what you will see:

For the next 2 months: dude threads about why everyone but Rudy sucks

If Giuliani loses, dude will accept that and then back whoever the Republican candidate is. For the next 8 months he will trash whoever the Democratic nominee is, probably on a daily basis. If the Republican nominee wins the general election, he will spend the next 4 years defending him. If the Democratic nominee wins, he will spend the next 4 years saying how much the President is fucking up the country.

dude's agenda is as predictable as the hands on a clock.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 12-26-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rodog

My opinion is that Rudy will still come out on top because he has such high pollings elsewhere. Then again this is my first primary so I don't know how the whole thing works.

I think the GOP race is impossible to predict. It truly is.

As for how the process works, it works just like a general election. The only difference is that the states vote in a random order of dates as opposed to all at once as done in the general election.

superdude17* · 12-26-2007, 01:07 AM

MountainMike, my friend, the fact is you are watching too much tube rather than looking at the cold facts. Giuliani leads virtually every state minus Iowa and New Hampshire. South Carolina he is still 100% in the race, and I expect him to win it. I think with all this little girl drama going on between the 3, you will see Rudy propel himself to the front because he won't be involved in scandal, just as Huckabee wasn't. However, to backup the facts, here are some facts for you to comprehend before making such ridiculous comments...

Rodog, show me where I have been wrong in my time here. I was right about Iraq when everyone was against it on this forum, and now I will be right in regards to Giuliani winning the republican nomination and then the presidency. However, one step at a time.

Polls:

Source: Diageo/Hotline Poll
"If the 2008 Republican presidential primary/caucus were held today, whom would you support if the candidates were [see below]?" If "All": "If you absolutely had to choose, which one person would you support?"
12/10-12/14 - Rudy Giuliani 21%, Huckabee 17, Romney 13

"Next, I'm going to read a list of people who may be running in the Republican primary for president in the next election. After I read all the names, please tell me which of those candidates you would be most likely to support for the Republican nomination for president in the year 2008, or if you would support someone else. . . ."

12/14-12/16 % - Rudy Giuliani 27, Mike Huckabee 16, Mitt Romney 14
11/30-12/2 -Rudy Giuliani 25, Huckabee 16, Romney 12
11/11-14 - Rudy 28, Huckabee 10, Romney 12
Source: WH2008: Republicans

Alabama: 49% Giuliani vs. 42% Clinton
46% Romney vs. 45% Clinton 12/21/07 SourceUSA Poll
Arizona: Rudy Giuliani 31%, John McCain (Arizona Senator) 15%, Romney 14%, Thompson 8%, Huckabee 8%..Rasmussen 12/4
Arkansas: Huckabee 39%, Rudy Giuliani 20%, Romney 8%...Rasmussen 12/3
California - 12/15/07 - Rudy 28%, Huckabee 20%, Romney 16%...SurveyUSA
Colorado: McCain 19%, Rudy Giuliani 14%, Thompson 12%....Rasmussen 12/4
Connecticut: Giuliani 28%, Romney 8%, Thompson 7%...Rasmussen 12/4
Florida - 12/16/07 - Giuliani - 29%, Huckabee 24, Romney 20...SurveyUSA
Nevada - 12/14/07 - Giuliani 25%, Romney 20, Huckabee 17....SurveyUSA
New Jersey - 12/7/07 - Giuliani 38%, McCain 12, Huckabee 8
New York - 12/5/07 - Giuliani 48%, Huckabee 15%, Thompson 7
Wisconsin - 12/8/07 - Giuliani 26%, Huckabee 20, Thompson 12

Rudy Giuliani Endorsements Worth Noting:

Senators:
Norm Coleman - Michigan**
Kit Bond - Mississippi
David Vitter - Louisiana

Representatives:
George Radanovich - California
Devin Nunes - California
David Dreier - California
Edward R. Royce - California
Jerry Lewis - California
Mary Bono - California
Jerry Weller - Illinois
Judy Biggert - Illinois
Charles Boustany - Louisiana
Candice S. Miller - Michigan**
Jo Ann Emerson - Montana
Jon Porter - Nevada**
Frank LoBiondo - New York
Jim Walsh - New York
Phil English - Pennsylvania
Jim Gerlach - Pennsylvania
Charles Dent - Pennsylvania
Pete Sessions - Texas
Dave Reichert - Washington
Luis Fortuño - Puerto Rico

Others:
Tommy Thompson - Former Presidential Candidate/Wisconsin Governor
Rick Perry - Texas Governor
Pat Robertson

I could go on....but with this lineup the man isn't going anywhere.

superdude17* · 12-26-2007, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rodog

How about we start there or maybe you can explain to us what you meant by one of your more recent comments when you said "you know how black people are". This is the part where you start yelling DELETE THREAD.

in reference to what....

Troianii · 12-26-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

I think the GOP race is impossible to predict. It truly is.

As for how the process works, it works just like a general election. The only difference is that the states vote in a random order of dates as opposed to all at once as done in the general election.

Ho hum to that.

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John McCain and Mike Huckabee have become unusual allies, united by their desire to stop Mitt Romney from winning the early presidential nominating contests in Iowa and New Hampshire.
more stories like this

* Newspaper endorsements go to Obama, Clinton, McCain, Huckabee
* Poll: McCain gains in NH
* Today on the presidential campaign trail
* Immigration a big issue to NH, Iowa GOP
* McCain calls for a stop to push polling
*

While Huckabee and McCain have repeatedly criticized Romney, they have showered each other with affection. McCain has lauded Huckabee as "a man of integrity, honesty, and decency." And Huckabee has praised McCain as "a true, honest-to-God American hero."

The warmth between them may be heartfelt, but both men recognize that they need each other over the next two weeks. McCain needs Huckabee to beat Romney in Iowa's Republican caucuses on Jan. 3, so that Romney is weakened for the New Hampshire primary five days later. And Huckabee needs McCain to draw votes from Romney in Iowa. Polls indicate McCain and Romney are in a statistical tie in New Hampshire, and Huckabee is leading Romney In Iowa.

The alliance between the folksy former Arkansas governor and the irreverent Arizona senator has been one of the stranger story lines to emerge in the Republican race.

McCain, after all, has had a rocky relationship with evangelical voters since he criticized Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson during the 2000 presidential campaign, saying their message of "intolerance" hurt the Republican Party and America. Huckabee, meanwhile, has rocketed to the top of the Iowa polls and the top tier of national candidates by courting evangelical voters and marketing himself in his ads as a "Christian leader."

McCain and Huckabee have put aside whatever differences each might have in the interests of blocking Romney, said Dante J. Scala, a University of New Hampshire political scientist. At presidential debates, and whenever they cross paths on the campaign trail, McCain and Huckabee swap compliments. Their campaigns have resisted circulating the sort of "opposition research" and negative news articles on each other that they routinely send out on Romney.

1. Giuliani is "out of the drama" because he isn't fighting for those states, and as to his third place showing you referenced, the polls you cited only showed a 2 point lead ahead of #4&5, I'm guessing within the margin of error, and Giuliani being behind in the double digits.
2. Endorsements... Last I checked, Romney had the most.
3. Dude, we pretty much all know how you're going to spin everything. There is little doubt in my mind that if a bird shat on Romney you would find a way to spin that story to show how wonderful Giuliani is.

top gun · 12-26-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MountainMike

Dooooooooooood!: I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but Rudy waiting for the later primaries is not going to work.

Huckabee and McCain? Who is on top and who is on bottom? I have heard of politics creating "strange bedfellows" but.............

Same problem for Larry Craig I bet !