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Old 12-25-2007, 11:10 AM
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Which is basically how I feel. She's only three foreign policy positions away from being a neocon anyways and most people hated her back when she was first lady. Imagine how Republicans would be saying the Democrats are pathetic for attacking Barbara Bush if the situation was reversed.
I think that you're taking that stance because, from what I've read of your posts, foreign policy (namely with the Middle East) is what concerns you the most. I could be wrong in that assessment, I'm not putting any money on it, but I think it's fair to say that she's just a big government candidate. It seems like she's for war with Iran - something that will require big gov. She's for universal Pre-K, Universal Health Care, all that education and health to be provided by the government. She's pretty much for the (big) government redistributing wealth, something I just despise - not because I have money. I despise it because a.) I would like to make something of myself, b.) it's horrible for the country in the long-term, c.) it destroys any concepts of small government.

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If you vote for a 3rd party candidate and the republican nominee should win the election, you will have to shoulder the blame for that. You might as well just vote republican.
Not really. He lives in New York which, unless Rudy gets the Republican nomination, won't even be a state that the Republicans put up a fight for. Even if Rudy does get the nomination it will probably still be a Democrat stronghold, meaning that his vote for Democrats won't mean much.

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I used to dislike her intensely. After joining this forum and seeing abuse heaped upon her (how many avatars are there that show Hillary sporting a devil mask) I am starting to feel sympathy for her. A similar circumstance I felt with Bill. Couldn't stand him at first then felt sympathy because there was no viable alternative.

Something about Obama just turns my stomach. He was like that 'perfect' kid in school, the teachers pet, I always hated the head boy.


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I'm assuming that you must really like Bush - he's taken more hits than both Clintons put together. I'll say this much, at least she's center or right on *some* issues, but she's so far left on many issues, basically coming to a big... HUGE government and redistribution of wealth candidate.


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(1) Hillary is not a socialist.

(2) Maybe it's time to realize that there is no one here who wants to defend Hillary.
1.) So what, a progressive? A Communist? I think that most Americans tend to lump them into a group, almost as much as you would Christian denominations.
2.) No debate here.
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Old 12-25-2007, 11:26 AM
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1.) So what, a progressive? A Communist? I think that most Americans tend to lump them into a group, almost as much as you would Christian denominations.
2.) No debate here.
Sure a progressive is a communist, if a conservative is a fascist. Americans don't think progressives are communist, if so then about half the country is communist as half the country votes for progressives.
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Old 12-25-2007, 12:30 PM
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I support Hillary because she is the only one who can beat the republicans.

There are a lot of Democrats that will not support Hillary Clinton and virtually all Republicans and Independents oppose her. I personally believe that Obama has a better chance of winning in the general election but that is not Democrat I would choose to face off against the Republicans.

I would pick Dennis Kucinich for the Democrats and Ron Paul for the Republicans. With Kucinich and Paul it would be the first time in many, many years where we actually were faced with picking the best of two candidates as opposed to picking the lessor of two evils.
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Old 12-25-2007, 03:31 PM
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I'm assuming that you must really like Bush - he's taken more hits than both Clintons put together.

Well, by your definition I must really like Adolf Hitler too cause he's taken his fair share of hits.





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she's so far left on many issues, basically coming to a big... HUGE government and redistribution of wealth candidate.

What's " redistribution of wealth" ? Do you care ? Are you wealthy ? Do you know that 20% of Americans think they are among the top 1% of the rich. Kinda makes you think, doesn't it (!!)


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Old 12-27-2007, 02:41 PM
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hillary will ensure another republican candidate

if hillary clinton becomes the democratic nominee, i think most voters will go republican. too many people dislike her, across the board, in all parties. it will push many undecided voters to go republican, and even some dems to abstain or vote 3rd party.
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Old 12-29-2007, 12:57 AM
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Which is basically how I feel. She's only three foreign policy positions away from being a neocon anyways and most people hated her back when she was first lady. Imagine how Republicans would be saying the Democrats are pathetic for attacking Barbara Bush if the situation was reversed.
Because she is a corrupt opportunist. It will be a shame if the first woman nominated for President got there because of her husband and the fact she let herself be made a fool of in the process.
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