AzTeK

Sorry I didn't answer in so long but I was quite busy this weekend, so here it goes

No, sure not. You could use the same argument about, for example, a war. If you go to war (let's take as an contemporary example the Iraq) and some of your troops shoot a civilian, even if just by accident...did your troops just kill the entire world? Doubt it, atleast I'm still here. Or take capital punishment for instance. If you inject poison into a man, even if he is guilty of god knows what...are you, again, killing the entire world? If you look at it, isn't the US killing the entire world day by day? (OK...maybe some would say yes, but not in the way that you meant it )

As far as my knowledge is concerned, Adam or Eve where never "born". They were "created" and then were there. So the analogy to the current topic is not clear to me.


Uhm...to keep it polite...I'll just say NO! I'm in no position to question your sanity, but please do some reading on the topic if you really believe that stuff.

As to Abortion being worse than Holocaust...I don't think so. "The" Holocaust was an aimed attempt to exterminate an entire Religion, if you will even a bit arbitrary, since there is no logical reason or any fact that would make jews (or other peoples targeted) worth less.

Abortions though often come out of necessity. I am strictly against abortion for any reason other than "necessity", don't get me wrong, but if a 16 year old (for whatever reason) with absolutely no perspective in life gets pregnant, her boyfriend turns his back on her and maybe she's even lost support from her relatives, then yes, do abort. Even if you see this from a religious point of view - that child will be 10 times better off in heaven (considering it has never sinned, where else should it go?) than with the broken life it is more than likely to live. Same counts for rape-victims that get pregnant.

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AzTeK

There are many things in the world that "would work" but can't and must not be done for the sake of everything the western world believes in - human rights being only the tip of the iceberg.

Have you ever thought why "education" has not worked in Africa? That's because noone is really trying to educate them. The entire western world profits from these peoples staying uneducated and engaged in one civil war after another. Any form of governmental aid is just to try and save face in front of the public. However, in places (like the countries we live in) where the government for their own good is interested in really educating people, I think it's working fairly well - with room for improovement though.

You could of course also redirect money for a couple of misfunded projects to AIDS-research. Take...let's see...the Iraq war maybe? I'll bet anything any day that we would have long come up with a cure if even only a fraction of what the world spends to wage wars is redirected to finding a cure for AIDS.

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eryan2369

Abortion is legalized murder. The entire foundation of our laws, correct me if im wrong, is to protect the innocent from harm. I am not allowed by law to harm another person, to do bodily harm, financial harm, etc. How can killing the most defenseless be legal?

"A womans right to choose"...makes me wanna puke! A woman DOES have the right to choose, there are hundreds of means of birth control to prevent pregnancy...not to mention abstenance. A woman old enough to bear child is old enough to know what causes pregnancy!...its not a shock that you get pregnant if you have unprotected sex. A woman has the right to choose to use birth control or abstain from sex all together if she doesnt want to risk pregnancy! Once she is pregnant she is sharing her body with another person...its no longer JUST her body, and she should have no more legal right to kill that defenseless person than I have legal right to walk up and shoot someone on the street!

AzTeK

A man old enough to discuss this topic also knows that nomatter how many different forms of birth control either partner uses, there is always a chance (if you look at the figures even an asonishingly "good" chance) of the woman still getting pregnant And "abstenance from sex" tastes a bit like the ideology of a religious group that takes itself a bit too seriously, but sure, it's a possibilty (the only safe one). And you also left rape-victims out all together.

EDIT: Wait, I forgot sterilisation. I suppose that's also a rather safe bet...

Appart from that the law already massively differentiates between a fetus and a normal citizen, in pretty much every category. So why should this be an exception? An unborn child, for example, has no right to inherit anything. It is only when it is actually born that it becomes a heir (that's just one example form the top of my head). In other words, a fetus is, in the eyes of the law, not what would in a general be called a "person". having said that, I wouldn't be sure if the term "murder" from a legal standpoint really applies in the first place.

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Enigma

Aztek, you had a possible idea there, sterilize all women that have an abortion. That way they will never have to bother having that wart grow back.....what a forward thinker you are......I think I like this forum.

Aya

Do you mean this honestly?

I don't think so. The Holocaust is total different compared to abortion.
About abortion you can argue, but you cannot argue about the Holocaust.
And I don't see any similarities in it. If there are similarities, tell me.

I hope Mike Huckabee won't be president. If I think about his positions about gay rights etc. then I think he would be the worst president. Not to mention foreign policy...

Enigma

Lets see, what does the Holocaust have in common with abortion, Hmmmm, how about millions of dead people. No I am not for sterilization,geeze.

BTW What are his positions on gay rights? And whatever they happen to be, how would his views on that subject actually affect his foreign policy? Just curious...tks

top gun

Seer

I think his late popularity could have been a part of his strategy. Most of the candidates have been in the public eye for so long, people are starting to get sick of them. I think Huckabee assumed that would happen and got in the race later on in the game (that sneaky bastard)… but seriously, his plan seemed to have worked because he’s jumped up higher than just about anyone in this race. If more stories come out like the one you provided, he will have a short lived popularity however.

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rob_anderson

I'm not sure why you feel the way you do. Abortion has killed tens of millions of unborn humans in the US over the last 40 years, and hundreds of millions around the world. In terms of numbers its pretty unprecedented. Not having compassion for these kids seems cold hearted to me, but I guess we think differently.

As for AIDS, there is no reason to get into the issue of a quaranteen today because its not going to happen. However, human rights do not give someone the right to expose others to communicable disease. Most societies can use quaranteen when necessary. Its an accepted practice to control diseases. Again, its not going to happen for AIDS, so there's no reason to raise the issue one way or the other (politics would prevent it).