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View Poll Results: Who do you want to be the democratic candidate?
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Barack Obama
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Mike Gravel
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Dennis Kucinich
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John Edwards
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Hilary Clinton
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Chris Dodd
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Bill Richardson
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Joe Biden
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11-02-2007, 09:29 AM
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Which Democratic candidate do you prefer?
In all seriousness, I actually prefer Obama to be the democratic candidate. I think that he has a level head, is far less aggressive in terms of foreign policy and is more down to Earth then the other candidates. I recently read that he also will talk to Iran without preconditions, which i hope will bring stability to the Mid-East.
So, who do you want to be the democratic candidate and why?
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11-02-2007, 09:33 AM
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Joe Biden. He's got the baggage of having committed plagiarism 20 years ago, but other than that he seems like a really great candidate.
Just watch him speak, he's extremely relaxed and likeable. Although Hillary is nowhere near the unilaterial a-hole Bush is, she divides the country and I don't want 4-8 more years of the US vs US hate.
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11-02-2007, 09:42 AM
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Agreed with US division via Hillary - it would exacerbate it. But, I think regardless of who wins we are apt to have a lot of division in the country after 2008.
Richardson, Biden, and Obama are my top favorites in the Democrat camp. All seem very worthy candidates. I would truly be happy with any of the three.
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11-02-2007, 09:44 AM
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Joe Biden
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11-02-2007, 10:59 AM
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I don't really know much about any of them except Obama or Clinton. Out of the two I'd prefer Obama.
But one problem is that not much of them seem to say very much about foreign policy other than Iraq (of which they don't say much concrete). As a foreigner, I don't care much about their domestic policy, but their foreign policy matters a lot, and I don't know what it is.
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11-02-2007, 11:13 AM
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Agreed with US division via Hillary - it would exacerbate it. But, I think regardless of who wins we are apt to have a lot of division in the country after 2008.
Richardson, Biden, and Obama are my top favorites in the Democrat camp. All seem very worthy candidates. I would truly be happy with any of the three.
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Well some conservatives would go after Biden for whatever reason, probably spending, abortion, judicial nominees and military spending. However, I guarantee that you will see ON THIS FORUM bitching and moaning all day long for 4 years if Hillary wins.  The attitude towards Biden will be yeah, he sucks from some conservatives, but if Hillary wins it will be just like what the liberals did to Bush. Everyday and everything she does is gonna be used to show incompetence, corruption and cowardess.
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11-02-2007, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Brother Oz
I don't really know much about any of them except Obama or Clinton. Out of the two I'd prefer Obama.
But one problem is that not much of them seem to say very much about foreign policy other than Iraq (of which they don't say much concrete). As a foreigner, I don't care much about their domestic policy, but their foreign policy matters a lot, and I don't know what it is.
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I would expect that ALL of Hillary's policies will be the same as her husband's. Hillary is a populist and she runs all policies by what the polls say and by what her political base says. She is left of center. So she primarily caters to her liberal and Democratic base, but she will reach out to the center and the right wherever possible.
She will probably withdraw most troops from Iraq and leave 30,000 behind to train the Iraqi's and fight Al Qaeda. She will pursue a middling course with Iran and she could bomb them OR she might not. Clinton bombed Iraq in a major campaign, lead a war on Serbia and launched a missile strike on Somalia and Afghanistan. It is highly like that the US under Hillary will strike some target. It entirely depends upon the circumstances. It is likely that she has no real foreign policy ideology.
As for Obama, well I guess his foreign policy would be to pull every last person out of Iraq. I highly doubt he would ever go to war with Iran. Obama has little foreign policy experience compared to the likes of his senior colleagues:
Bill Richardson
Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
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11-02-2007, 01:43 PM
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I went with Kucinich, although I'd be happy with Richardson or Biden as well. Obama would be acceptable. The Democrats have some solid options this year.
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11-02-2007, 03:47 PM
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Interesting poll although not many people have responded yet. So far, with Biden and Kucinich tied in the lead it would appear that the respondents are equally divided by a candidate that supports US foreign policy of interventionism and imperialism (Biden) and a candidate that supports non-interventionism and withdrawal of the US military from foreign countries. Kucinich correctly cites US military (and CIA para-military) interventionism as the root cause of terrorism against the United States. We aren't being attacked because we are over here, we are being attacked because we are over there.
On the thread for the preferred Republican candidate Ron Paul is way ahead and Paul, like Kucinich, supports non-interventionism and the withdrawal of the US military from foreign countries for the same reasons. If only one of these two is nominated I will support their election. If both are nominated I would support Ron Paul because I support his domestic agenda whereas I am opposed to Kucinich's.
But first and foremost I would like a president to stop intervening in the sovereign affairs of foreign nations.
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11-02-2007, 03:50 PM
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I like them all really… but I picked Kucinich.
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