iTaliAN_ICe

It may very well end up being Giuliani vs. Hillary. If that ends up being the case, I'll support Giuliani.

It may be overly hopeful, but I'd like to see a race between two good candidates from either side. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be how must elections in this country work.

Troianii

I totally agree with the OP.

Apawllo, I think I have to disagree to an extent. It is a popularity contest, but not in an immature fashion that one would assume. In example, Hillary has recently put out proposals that have been extremely unpopular with the general public, such as the $5000 baby, but a little less than 1 in 3 people have supported these ideas, those who have are almost certainly the voters that she is looking for in the primaries. Ideas like this look like they'll win her the Democratic nomination, but they will hurt her run for the Presidency.

So yes, it's a popularity contest, but a very intricate and interesting one.

AzTeK

Amen, brother!

I personally find it sad that it's the first time a woman could be running for president AND the first time a (more or less) black man is running for president.

I personally am a big fan of Obama and think he can do great things for and with the US - but honestly, as of now, I doubt he'll get the nomination.

As mentioned by some others, Hillary is jut too big of a celebrity and media magnet, while Obama is rather media-shy - something that could end up costing him the nomination.

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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

Welcome to the forum, AzTek.

You've left yourself wide open though. Isn't it hypocritical to talk about how it's sad that a woman is running for President in the US only now, when France was only ahead of us by one year? As for Germany, your Chancellor Merkel is analogous to our Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (female) so you don't hold an advantage over us there.

You guys have got a lot of Muslims in France, when will we see a Muslim running for President in France?

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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

By the way Aztek, your government recently included members of Haider's Freedom Party. Haider appears to be a bit of a Nazi-sympathizer.

BBC News | EUROPE | Joerg Haider: Key quotes

Rise of Haider's Party Brings Out Large Protest in Vienna - New York Times

Do you think this is sad, Aztek?

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AzTeK

You kinda misinterpreted me there, maybe I jsut didn't make my point clear enough though.

I didn't mean to say "it's sad that that it has taken so long for a woman to run for presidency" - I rather meant to point out the irony of the first woman AND the first black man sort of ruling eachother out, since only one is gonna get nominated.

I never mentioned Europe being any...let's say "further along the road" than you guys - and believe me, I am no sympathiser of Haider NOR his party NOR the party they separated from recently. The only reason Haider still has some sort of power is that he is very popular in one key province - with support being nearly 0 in the rest of Austria.

Unfortunately some foreigners come to Austria (and other europeans countries) solely for the social benefits offered here - parties like the one Haider leads feed of that, comparisons with "our" Nazi-past are inevitable, you'r right.

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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

That's good, you're a much better Austrian, than one of our moderators: http://www.politicsforumpoliticalwor...tibartfas.html

This guy is always going on about how "darkies" like me ruin his country. I think he likes to ambush unwary Turks in his spare time.




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AzTeK

I might be leaning myself out of the window a bit far here by generalising and stereotyping, but I believe that the big changes that are needed in American Politics will NOT be achieved by a white male.

It might sound strange (make no mistake, I am white and male myself) but it's just a feeling I have, for which I don't really have an explanation. Call me racist of my own "race" (if there is such thing as races neways) or whatever, I just believe you guys will be better off with the next president not being white AND male.

That's one of the main reasons why I believe Obama would be - flat out - the best choice out there. Eventhough I have very little information about the republican candidates, since I'm no big fan of republicans neways.

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lordoftheworld

So only a black man can fix health care? Only a woman can fix our immigration issues? A white man cannot fix our overstretched military? A white man cannot fix our education? I'm not saying a black man cant, but i'm not going to say a white man cant either.
What does race have to do with those issues?

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

I tend to agree with lordoftheworld on this one. It's not about race. The US is run by consensus and coalition, just like any other country in the world. You need a coalition of tens of millions of white folks to get anything done in the United States, so one cannot allow race to become a factor. Obama's black face would just be a black face upon a party mostly comprised of white folks. It's just the surface of a party composed mostly by white people, so why the surface of such a group should matter is not really clear.


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