Rudy Hitting His Stride? (Heck Yes) - Political Forum

superdude17* · 08-16-2007, 11:49 PM

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Rudy Hitting His Stride?

Rudy Giuliani got good news earlier this week from a CBS pollthat most people

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CBS Poll
a.In all, 38 percent of Republican primary voters favor the former New York City mayor, a slight increase from last month.....
b. In all, 47 percent of Giuliani supporters say they strongly favor their candidate, while 45 percent say the like him as a choice, with reservations. Only 7 percent choose Giuliani because they dislike the other candidates....
c. Republican primary voters appear to be growing more content with the Republican candidates for president: 46 percent say they are satisfied with their choices, up from 36 percent a month ago and 30 percent in June.

have learned to mistrust -- for good reason -- but Rasmussen may provide

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Rasmussen Poll
a. After being virtually tied with Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton for several months, Republican contender Rudy Giuliani now leads Clinton up 47% to 40% in the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.
b. Democratic Senators John Edwards and Barack Obama have often done better than Clinton in match-ups with Giuliani. But recent polls show the former mayor improving against these adversaries as well.
c. The slide in Mayor Giuliani's favorable rating seems to have bottomed out for now. After hitting a low of 50% favorable for two weeks in a row, he's now viewed favorably by 52%.

some corroboration today. According to the normally reliable pollster, Rudy has his first significant lead in head-to-head polling against Hillary Clinton, and the crosstabs show some surprising depth.

It's significant that neither top 50% in the poll. Eight percent insist on voting for another candidate, even when the question gets posed as a two-choice affair. Five percent are unsure. We'll come back to them in a moment.

Rudy has some surprising strength in the demographics, especially women. While pundits believe that Hillary would motivate women to flock to her banner, Giuliani actually edges Hillary 44%-42% in this poll -- within the margin of error, to be sure, but much closer than most would imagine. Giuliani has a majority of those between 30-39 years of age (54-36) while Hillary has a slimmer majority in the 40-49 range (50-44). Despite Democratic claims on the youth vote, Hillary only gets a single percentage point lead on Rudy on the 18-29 demo (38-37), and Giuliani has significant leads among those 50 and older.

Otherwise, the only other surprise among the demographics are black voters. Hillary has a lead on Giuliani there, but Rasmussen shows the split 48-41 Hillary. I'd guess this to be a typo. The "Others" category is split 55-11 for Hillary, and I'd wager that they have the two turned around. Even so, only getting 55% of the black vote in a two-way race (18% unsure) looks like a huge problem for the Democrats.

As to those who are unsure, the most significant demographics for the undecided are those that favor Giuliani. That means that we could expect them to break more towards Rudy than Hillary when push comes to shove. All in all, this seems like the kind of boost that Rudy can use to make the case that he provides the best chance for Republicans to beat Hillary next November. John Podhoretz should be dancing over at The Corner with this news.

I think Giuliani is leaving Romney and McCain behind. He has built a formidable organization, and has got the message across that he:

1. Will cut taxes.
2. Will reduce the size of the Federal government.
3. Is rock solid on terrorism and foreign policy.
4. Has pledged to put strict constructionists on the Supreme Court.
5. Is fearless in confronting the Liberal media.
6. Is committed to building the wall and an electronic border for Mexico and forcing all illegals to be identified.
7. Is undeniably the best law and order guy out there.
and
8. Has the balls to pound on Congress and anyone else necessary to get his way.

Thompson is worried about reruns, trying to get a staff together, and looking for some money outside his home state. Pretty much, conservatives can boast about him all they want, and being someone who is all for the Republican winning again in '08 and leading this country into the future, no matter what the cost, I don't want to sound derogatory towards him, but if he actually does enter, he will be ripped apart with his affiliation towards Nixon. It seems like President Nixon didn't think too much of good ol' Fred either. Thompson was suspected of being Nixon's spy during the Watergate fiasco. Nixon's opinion is on tape.

This nomination is Rudy’s to lose...

CHUQ · 08-17-2007, 06:03 AM

Most of Rudy's promises look like anyother politicians promises. But then again all candidtaes arre vague and all emcompassing in their promises.

superdude17* · 08-17-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MountainMike

If Thompson joins the race, he will rally the conservative base. This would be a problem for Rudy. My issue with Thompson is the image that is being projected, a good ol boy in jeans and driving a pick up, an outsider. He spent a substantial part of his life as a lobbyist. He is a consummate insider.

I will be rather disappointed if he decides to run. I also do not understand why people in my camp are getting so worked up about him. I will give him credit, he is a great actor. However, that is what makes him dangerous. Actors are so two-faced its disgusting. They put happy faces on for the cameras on, then go pout and do drugs later.

At the same time, he has a campaign manager that is old and out of line with what is happening today. And, we can say, so is Fred. He hasn't done anything government related, other than his so-called fake roles in TV, for the last few years and some other jobs in DC.

If he runs, it would split our party apart. We must unite under one man. Having Thompson join would just bring chaos, and I don't think we need another Democrat hissy fit going on in our camp. Let's keep the drama to them and the real politics to us.

At the same time, he has more shit up his ass than Giuliani to go after with. Will he be able to handle it? I doubt it.

Let's stick with the front-runner we have, who is most likely to be elected, instead of going w/ someone who no one knows. Its too late. Maybe 2012 Fred.

superdude17* · 08-17-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rodog

1. Will cut taxes.

With the crippling debt Bush has put us in? Not unless he intends to borrow from China.

2. Will reduce the size of the Federal government.

He'll have to if he intends to lower taxes, but he might have to chisel away at education and healthcare because Bush has already taken money out of everything else including domestic law enforcement to pay for the war.

3. Is rock solid on terrorism and foreign policy.

Does talking about something make you good at it?

4. Has pledged to put strict constructionists on the Supreme Court.

There's no real way of knowing he's telling the truth there. How often do politicians give pledges anyway?

5. Is fearless in confronting the Liberal media.

He is a liberal.

6. Is committed to building the wall and an electronic border for Mexico and forcing all illegals to be identified.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

7. Is undeniably the best law and order guy out there.

Tell that to all the innocent people he's thrown in jail as has every other lawyer whose had a long career.

8. Has the balls to pound on Congress and anyone else necessary to get his way.

If the Dems had to pick a Republican President it would be him. He would definitely be my pick.

yes, he has a very distinguished career. one that millions of people who lived under his guidance applaud him for, including myself

micfranklin · 08-17-2007, 02:50 PM

So superdude how do you feel about Ghoul--I mean Giuliani's national and foreing policies? Those are the big issues right about now.

Bradgriff · 08-17-2007, 03:39 PM

Too bad you Republicans are turning your backs on McCain. He's a smart man, and one of the first to have the stones to say the "surge" is a good thing, when other Repubs were avoiding the subject. Also, he got totaly character assassinated by the party for being involved in the immigration bill. He and George Bush took it in the ... for that one. The Repubs thought they would need us all mad about imigration to distract us from the war. But they didn't, because now they are betting it all on a horse named Potreus. Poor John McCain, one of the last good Republicans. I would have voted for him!

Oh! Sorry, this thread is about Gilianni, sorry Dude.

superdude17* · 08-17-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rodog

I'm glad Republicans have set aside their hard right principals for the sake of winning. It means that no matter how you spin it Ruddy is definitely no conservative at least on the social issues.

Tell me where, other than social rights, Rudy is not conservative. He is very Conservative in many ways. I would hardly consider him liberal, other than he supports gays and abortion, along with some other smaller issues.

vladward8 · 08-17-2007, 10:11 PM

'this guy really needs to be assasinated' Sorry kid, I couldn't resist. Tit for tat

vladward8 · 08-17-2007, 10:49 PM

Actually, I'm a sixty year old veteran ( male ) liscenced to carry concealed weapons. Once a week I go and blow up a few lightbulbs at fifty paces. I do this to keep myself out of the ranks of old hags.

SamInTheSouth · 08-18-2007, 11:06 PM

Well, I am an economic conservative and a social libertarian, so Rudy is right up my alley. I'd have no problem with him being the GOP nominee. I think is positions are in line with America's mainstream.