Obama says nuclear weapons are off the table - Page 3 - Political Forum

marcocruz87 · 08-02-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MountainMike

This is the "tactical nuke" debate, the myth that you can use smaller nukes or next generation nukes that are very small to contain damage, and your enemy may not escalate the warfare into full nuclear war.

The last real world issue over this was our strategizing to bomb Iran's nuclear facility. It has been deep underground in a bunker, and there was a question about our normal, huge bunker-busting bombs would work. I believe Cheney made a few remarks to indicate nukes were not off the table for discussion.
With his usual vampire charisma, this touched off a backlash. There were probably more than a few in our military leadership that would have resigned before participating in an Iranian bombing or our use of a nuke.

I truly believe that the United States cannot afford another war. The trade deficit with China who helped pay for Iraq is soaring and the national debt is about to reach 10T... plus Iran would serve as a formidable foe...

marcocruz87 · 08-02-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by superdude17*

Nuclear weapons are more of a deterrent and are very good for our society. Because we have nukes, other countries fear us more, therefore they listen to us. Works out.

A Democratic nation "priding" itself for being the perfect model for others to follow... it's kind of sad how the initiation fear should be the method used in making others cooperate

Aegis · 08-02-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by marcocruz87

A Democratic nation "priding" itself for being the perfect model for others to follow... it's kind of sad how the initiation fear should be the method used in making others cooperate

"Walk softly but carry a big stick." ~ Theodore Roosevelt

Scribbler1 · 08-02-2007, 08:50 PM

After thinking about this, and getting the actual quote, I have to backtrack a bit. Obama was apparently saying he wouldn't use nuclear weapons against al-Queda but not specifying any other situation. On reflection, this seems wise. Since terrorists have a nasty, as well as cowardly little habit of hiding among innocent civilians, we CAN'T just nuke them without taking out a LOT of innocents.
In this one situation we would need to find another option, or vaporize a large portion of the world population in the effort to get a lot of small terrorist cells.

And when you have a load of "people" whose end goal is to die ANYWAY, it seems the threat of that particular way of dying wouldn't make much difference.

superdude17* · 08-02-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by marcocruz87

I truly believe that the United States cannot afford another war. The trade deficit with China who helped pay for Iraq is soaring and the national debt is about to reach 10T... plus Iran would serve as a formidable foe...

Let's get one thing straight. Iran would not stand a chance if the US were to intervene there. Why? Most importantly, the citizens would overwhelmingly back a siege on the government. So, get that idea out of your head.

BANDERA · 08-02-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Aegis

How can you decide? There have been so many.

Well because I have a habit of intelligent thinking and critical thinking and the ability to analyze individual situations and events instead of knee jerking because I may disagree with someone politically.

Hotduck · 08-03-2007, 04:03 AM

This isn’t about weather nukes are good thing or a bad thing which for the record I think their good thing as long as their in the hands of good people. This is about that fact that a guy that may in fact be are next president gave away America’s greatest trump card.

Look I’m not saying we should nuke anyone right now but you don’t tell the world that you will never ever do it. I’m am often told by the Democrats and isolationists that we shouldn’t worry about a nuclear attack from Iran or North Korea because they know that if they hit with a nuke we would nuke them back to the stone age.

Well I guess not if Obama’s in office.

RepublicanHater · 08-03-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotduck

This isn’t about weather nukes are good thing or a bad thing which for the record I think their good thing as long as their in the hands of good people. This is about that fact that a guy that may in fact be are next president gave away America’s greatest trump card.

Look I’m not saying we should nuke anyone right now but you don’t tell the world that you will never ever do it. I’m am often told by the Democrats and isolationists that we shouldn’t worry about a nuclear attack from Iran or North Korea because they know that if they hit with a nuke we would nuke them back to the stone age.

Well I guess not if Obama’s in office.

Nukes are never good no matter who's hand thier in. Yes they hepled this country twice but that dosen't mean thier good. They kill too many people both innocent and guilty. And he said he's not going to us them to fight al qaeda not that he's never going to use them. If we were attacked by them i sure he'd use them to fight back.

superdude17* · 08-03-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RepublicanHater

Nukes are never good no matter who's hand thier in. Yes they hepled this country twice but that dosen't mean thier good. They kill too many people both innocent and guilty. And he said he's not going to us them to fight al qaeda not that he's never going to use them. If we were attacked by them i sure he'd use them to fight back.

When other countries have nuclear capabilities, we must continue our nuclear program, end of discussion.

Aegis · 08-03-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by superdude17*

Let's get one thing straight. Iran would not stand a chance if the US were to intervene there. Why? Most importantly, the citizens would overwhelmingly back a siege on the government. So, get that idea out of your head.

Quite true. In addition, if we sent a formation of bombers into Irani airspace and dropped tactiacal nuclear weapons on critical military sites the US would effectively wipe out Iran's ability to confront anyone. End of Iranian bullshit.