Clinton & Biden stand out in debate! - Political Forum

top gun · 06-03-2007, 09:57 PM

It appeared to be a stand out performance by Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Joe Biden in the Democratic debate in New Hampshire just concluded on CNN.

John Edwards and Senator Obama were major players however John Edwards while making some legitimate points attempted to separate himself from the pack by being somewhat more confrontational. This may have hurt as much as it helped in the overall impression of things. Senator Obama made calm rational points but did not show the passion usually expected from him.

I'd make this point for Senator Joe Biden. I don't know if he has the resources and the campaign machine to go all the way, but by his answers, his experience, conviction, and rational common sense he certainly looked very strong and presidential.

At one point when the subject turned to the recent vote to continue funding the war in Iraq (which Biden had voted yes on) Biden responded... Come on folks, the Democrats have 50 votes in the Senate. We need a Democratic President to end this war or 66 votes in the Senate.

At another point when the talk turned to a presidents ability to just make anything happen both he and Senator Clinton chimed in one after the other saying... People think that a president can just do anything they want. But there's a Congress and other factors involved. Senator Biden concluded with... Being president requires you to occasionally be practical, implying this was not one of President Bush's strong suits. The obvious common sense of that statement drew laughs from the crowd.

Senator Clinton looked rested and was steady, friendly and well versed on each and every subject and question posed and seemed to strive to be sure that the audience understood that everyone on the stage was respected and all fighting for the same things be it sometimes by different approaches.

It's my opinion that the other four candidates are truly out of the running for the nomination and it would be best to start seeing them fall away to give more time for examination of the top four.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 06-04-2007, 04:07 AM

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CHUQ · 06-04-2007, 04:35 AM

I agree that Biden was the standout. Since I am not a democrat, I can be objective. To me Clinton was just a rehash of soundbytes. Edwards was semi-confrontational, my prob with him is a personal injury lawyer talking about honesty. His exchange on healthcare was his best, IMO.

I also have a prob with the "mutual admiration society" where everyone had to say something polite about everyone else.

top gun · 06-04-2007, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CHUQ

I agree that Biden was the standout. Since I am not a democrat, I can be objective. To me Clinton was just a rehash of soundbytes. Edwards was semi-confrontational, my prob with him is a personal injury lawyer talking about honesty. His exchange on healthcare was his best, IMO.

I also have a prob with the "mutual admiration society" where everyone had to say something polite about everyone else.

I like Biden. He's a foreign affairs expert and I like the way he connects with people when he talks. Lot's of experience.

Clinton is just steady. We can't forget that she' been through all this president stuff before. She's seen it all, the inter-workings, the various aspects that others probably don't really completely understand, the politics of it all.

When Edwards tried to take a shot a Obama & Clinton raising the leadership issue Obama hit Edwards back with a pretty good shot when he said... Well John you voted to go into Iraq so you're about four and a half years late on leadership on this issue.

All in all I thought it was actually a little confrontational. But I want to see a common front. That's the way they'll win. The Dems really need to take a play out of the old Reagan play book with his... Never speak ill of another Republican or in this case Democrat commandment.

francois60 · 06-08-2007, 11:25 AM

I won't say Edwards is done, as he's still leading in Iowa and South Carolina.

However, he's hurting himself by trying to appeal to the far left side of the base. And he's not even doing it well, because he's got his 2002 war vote wrapped around his neck like an anvil.

francois60 · 06-08-2007, 11:25 AM

All in all I thought it was actually a little confrontational. But I want to see a common front. That's the way they'll win. The Dems really need to take a play out of the old Reagan play book with his... Never speak ill of another Republican or in this case Democrat commandment

You don't speak ill personally. You do disagree on policy.

top gun · 06-08-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by francois60

All in all I thought it was actually a little confrontational. But I want to see a common front. That's the way they'll win. The Dems really need to take a play out of the old Reagan play book with his... Never speak ill of another Republican or in this case Democrat commandment

You don't speak ill personally. You do disagree on policy.

Oh no don't get me wrong all the Democratic candidates should stake out whatever positions they feel are correct and important. And sometimes in a debate format you're going to have different opinions and you have to stick up for what you believe.

Everyone just needs to be respectful of the other candidates and explain why their position is more beneficial. No canabalization...

It's funny to finally see the Republicans doing a little cannibalizing of their own. They're going after each other way more than normal... and turning on their Republican president.

On your previous post about Edwards... I agree he's not at all out of it. He's darn near moved into some of those early primary states. I just know that there is a great combination out there for the president & V.P. ticket. A combination of 2 out of Clinton, Biden, Obama, Edwards, (Gore). There's even a possible wild card if Clinton were to get the nomination... Retired General Westley Clark.

Lot's of good people... I just want a strong winning ticket!

francois60 · 06-11-2007, 11:15 AM

Edwards hasn't done his homework. And he's already been VP on a losing ticket, so he won't be a VP nominee again.

Edwards could win, he's not out of it, but I don't think he will. Obama is more of a genuine progressive than Edwards and has actually done his homework on the issues. Obama also wants to bring America together, while Edwards wants to divide us into Two Americas.

K_B · 06-18-2007, 06:36 PM

If Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, we can all look forward to 4 more years of Republican xxxxxxxx.