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emptypepsi · #11 (**permalink**) 05-24-2007, 05:49 PM

As a side note (and this is not aimed at anyone in particular, as I don't know why people oppose Ron Paul, if they do, for the most part on this board), I find that most people attack him with the same type of ludicrous B.S. that Rudy used at the debates (e.g., "He just said we deserved 9/11! Did you hear that?!?!"), when in actuality it is just twisting what he said. Emotional hyperbole is not a rational argument, and Rudy showed himself for the charlatan that he is when he pulled that.

I also notice most people shut up immediatley when faced with Ron Paul's use of a Reagan quote to describe his reasoning on staying OUT of the Middle East, though many are quick to use Reagan as a paradigm of Republican/"Conservative" action for fighting the terrorists. It seems many like to use Reagan when it is convenient for them, and pass it off when it isn't.

emptypepsi · #12 (**permalink**) 05-24-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Think for myself

Belive you are miconstruing my intent for you opinion on Ron Paul as some form of insult. I properly forewarned you that I did not know that much about him.

As for a lifetime Libertarian, of course he is.

"Positions and Views
Ron Paul joined the Libertarian Party as a lifetime member, though he is technically a Republican member of Congress."

Ron Paul - Congresspedia

Thank you for the link. I will remember that now.

Anyway, I still say that nothing he is doing is oppurtunistic for himself, as he is getting nothing but attacks from Republican cantidates like Rudy and Tancredo and pundits like Hannity.

Think for myself · #13 (**permalink**) 05-24-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by emptypepsi

Thank you for the link. I will remember that now.

Anyway, I still say that nothing he is doing is oppurtunistic for himself, as he is getting nothing but attacks from Republican cantidates like Rudy and Tancredo and pundits like Hannity.

Well, an attack from some one like Hannity should be worn as a badge of honor.

While I don't agree with his views on abortion, I don't use it as a deciding factor. He certainly is different.

emptypepsi · #14 (**permalink**) 05-24-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ygorl

Good stuff. I like it. Maybe he can get into the race and have a chance. Or maybe he HAS. Does he have a chance against the bigger money though ?

Unfortunately, todays politics is no longer about truth and honest presentations of ideas.

No. It's more about who can afford to spend the most $$ on studying how to mold themselves to a model of public opinion. A model that their analysts will recommend appealing to.

This effect has GIVEN us politicians like george bush and bill clinton. If this effect keeps going, who knows what we'll end up with. More screwballs like these two.
Certainly no one decent or honest.

Amen. I can remember watching the 2004 debates between Bush and Kerry while sitting and thinking to myself..."Are these seriously the best we can do? Are they honestly what most people believe are the most qualified for the job?" and shaking my head in disbelief.

It has become a popularity contest, much like high school class nominations. The "football players" who skipped the first week of Government class are running and winning for presidency while the "nerds" are boo'ed and jeered into oblivion, while wondering just what the hell is to become of the class funds.

Ygorl · #15 (**permalink**) 05-24-2007, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by emptypepsi

As a side note (and this is not aimed at anyone in particular, as I don't know why people oppose Ron Paul, if they do, for the most part on this board), I find that most people attack him with the same type of ludicrous B.S. that Rudy used at the debates (e.g., "He just said we deserved 9/11! Did you hear that?!?!"), when in actuality it is just twisting what he said. Emotional hyperbole is not a rational argument, and Rudy showed himself for the charlatan that he is when he pulled that.

I also notice most people shut up immediatley when faced with Ron Paul's use of a Reagan quote to describe his reasoning on staying OUT of the Middle East, though many are quick to use Reagan as a paradigm of Republican/"Conservative" action for fighting the terrorists. It seems many like to use Reagan when it is convenient for them, and pass it off when it isn't.

Very interesting, sensible and well stated.

Ygorl · #16 (**permalink**) 05-24-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by emptypepsi

Amen. I can remember watching the 2004 debates between Bush and Kerry while sitting and thinking to myself..."Are these seriously the best we can do? Are they honestly what most people believe are the most qualified for the job?" and shaking my head in disbelief.

It has become a popularity contest, much like high school class nominations. The "football players" who skipped the first week of Government class are running and winning for presidency while the "nerds" are boo'ed and jeered into oblivion, while wondering just what the hell is to become of the class funds.

Fitting analogy

Unfortunately not so funny. Because it's getting closer and closer to being the truth

emptypepsi · #17 (**permalink**) 05-24-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ygorl

Fitting analogy

Unfortunately not so funny. Because it's getting closer and closer to being the truth

Yeah, it is fitting indeed, and getting closer to the truth - but so long as a movie is out with the title "Revenge of the Nerds", I will forever have hope.

Mover · #18 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Think for myself

Well, an attack from some one like Hannity should be worn as a badge of honor.

While I don't agree with his views on abortion, I don't use it as a deciding factor. He certainly is different.

The good news is that even though I also disagree with his views on abortion, he would do what the constitution suggests...leave it as a state issue.

Ultimately, he is a constitutionalist. His voting record is absolutely convincing on that. He wants a much smaller federal governemnt, as it was originally envisaged.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."