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05-22-2007, 07:53 PM
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I didn't think people asked for references on this board :-)
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I'm sorry, I'm fairly new. Do we just speculate and accept others speculation as fact? |
05-22-2007, 09:41 PM
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Of course it's elitist. However, elitism is justified. Do you think the Founding Fathers were a bunch of poor farmers? OF course not, they were a rich political elite.
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And their whole idea for this country was to have NO "elite" which means they apparently had a different opinion of themselves than you do.
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Do you think we've ever had a president who wasn't part of the elite? Of course not.
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If there EVER was a reason to NOT revere the elite, that's the one, judging by their performance in recent history.
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The elite are superior, and not just for birth reasons--they rise to the top.
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So does pond scum. That's a poor metaphor.
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Of course, ideally, we should judge people as individuals, and I do. However, barring more specific information, stereotypes (as long as you aren't to rigid about them) are not a bad thing. As a group, it's fairly easy to categorize people and generalize. It is human nature, and it is probably essential to our survival that we can group things together in our minds.
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Up to a point, but that doesn't include every possible group. I don't believe the "self-made" rich belong in any group of stereotypes.
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05-22-2007, 09:49 PM
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Shades of "Heavens Gate" !
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05-23-2007, 03:18 AM
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05-23-2007, 03:47 AM
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Most of the self-made rich are harder working, better in business, more creative, more giving, more thrifty, and generally nice people. You don't get to the top without those characteristics.
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When did niceness and generosity become prerequisites for becoming a rich businessman? I believe that a certain amount of ruthlessness is required to get the most money you can I out of someone for an object that the cheapest to make. And that is what a businessman does: he comes up with an idea and figures out how he could get the most money out of it. The business world isn't the land of generous and caring people.
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05-23-2007, 10:02 AM
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I think the federal government should step in and take control of businesses and make things fair for everyone. 
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Neither am I the means to any end others may wish to accomplish. I am not a tool for their use. I am not a servant of their needs. I am not a bandage for their wounds. I am not a sacrifice on their altars. ... I owe nothing to my brothers, nor do I gather debts from them. I ask no one to live for me, nor do I live for others. I covet no mans soul, nor is my soul theirs to covet.
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05-23-2007, 10:18 AM
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I think the federal government should step in and take control of businesses and make things fair for everyone. |
I think the federal government needs to keep an eye on you, Fry. |
05-23-2007, 10:32 AM
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If they knew what was good for 'em they would.
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Neither am I the means to any end others may wish to accomplish. I am not a tool for their use. I am not a servant of their needs. I am not a bandage for their wounds. I am not a sacrifice on their altars. ... I owe nothing to my brothers, nor do I gather debts from them. I ask no one to live for me, nor do I live for others. I covet no mans soul, nor is my soul theirs to covet.
Ayn Rand, Anthem.
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05-23-2007, 11:30 AM
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Of course it's elitist. However, elitism is justified. Do you think the Founding Fathers were a bunch of poor farmers? OF course not, they were a rich political elite. Do you think we've ever had a president who wasn't part of the elite? Of course not. The elite are superior, and not just for birth reasons--they rise to the top.
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How are they superior? And how is saying that the "Founding Fathers" and all the presidents since were from rich families a justification?
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barring more specific information, stereotypes (as long as you aren't to rigid about them) are not a bad thing.
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Stereotypes are generalizations based on a person or a group of people.These stereotypes often lead to unfair discrimination and persecution when the stereotype is unfavorable. Did you know that Hitler used stereotypes about Jews to incite racism and all the hatred that ensued during WW2.
Could you please explain how stereotypes are "essential to our survival" in any way?
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05-23-2007, 02:21 PM
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When did niceness and generosity become prerequisites for becoming a rich businessman? I believe that a certain amount of ruthlessness is required to get the most money you can I out of someone for an object that the cheapest to make. And that is what a businessman does: he comes up with an idea and figures out how he could get the most money out of it. The business world isn't the land of generous and caring people.
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I disagree. Part of being a successful businessman is getting people to follow you. You don't do that being a true bastard--all of that is just fiction that looks nice in the movies.
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