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Old 05-30-2007, 10:19 AM
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Article I
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to....
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states,
Commerce is the buying and selling of products. Labor doesn't qualify as commerce.

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Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court,

Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution,

According to the supreme court the commerce clause has no problem whatsoever in reaching the minimum wage issue. MARK
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Old 05-30-2007, 10:22 AM
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Why do you want the individual states to have so much more power?
That is how our system was initially designed. We are not the United Individuals of America, but the United States. The States are supposed to do most of the day to day governing and interaction with the people. The government is most efficient and responsive to the people at the levels closest to the people.

Before the advent of the 17th amendment, the state legislatures (not the people of the state directly) selected the Two senators from the state. IMHO, we would have a better government with less unfunded federal mandates if this were the case.
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Old 05-30-2007, 10:32 AM
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Don't oversimplify things. How is abortion murder if it occurs early before the brain had developed.
The definition of murder is the unlawful killing of a human being. The whole abortion debate revolves on the definition of when human life begins. If you decide on some arbitrary point like brain development, etc., then of course abortion isn't killing a human life. If you use the most logical starting point of human life, the moment of conception when a new unique set of diploid DNA is created from two parent sets of haploid DNA, then abortion is killing a human life. I prefer logic to arbitrariness. Any point beside conception is arbitrary and impossible to define completely.


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Anti-abortion groups should stop talking in terms of whether the heart is beating.
Most don't. We view life as beginning at the moment of conception, not some arbitrary point of development afterwards.

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Without a developed brain, the fetus wouldn't feel any pain from the abortion.
Pain isn't the issue. Life is.

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Abortion is not a felony, it is legal throughout the country. Why must sex only be for creation.
Nice strawman. No person I know of thinks that the only purpose of sex is procreation (which is the word you wanted). I'm Catholic. During my pre-marital counseling, it was clearly taught to me that the purpose of sex isn't only procreation. It's also pleasure and the sharing of yourself with your spouse, all in one. To divorce sex from any aspect of this is wrong. Sex for pleasure alone is as wrong as sex for procreation alone.

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What about cases of rape?
So few cases of rape cause pregnancy that it's almost a non-issue.

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Should we just walk up to the rapists and ask them to keep it in their pants?
Of course. Rapists shouldn't be raping at all. We imprison them for it.

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Abortion often saves the baby and the mother from a life of poverty and suffering.
Not the baby. It kills them.

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You should look at the other side of issues before you jump to conclusions.
And what do you think of birth control (condoms, pills, etc) instead of just simply "Keep it in your pants"?
Keep it in your pants when used correctly is the most effective form of birth control.

That said, birth control should be legal.
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Take away all federal involvement in public education. Set up a voluntary consortium to set up national standards for curriculum.

Abolish it. It has no purpose in a free society.



This should be a state issue, not a federal one.
1. I agree.
2. Abolish it? What if Nebraskas voters decide they would like one? With state central government, why should they not be allowed to? As you said a few posts back, we are the United States of America. Let the States decide, no?
3. Agreed.

I commend your want to keep things state-centered.
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Old 05-30-2007, 11:51 PM
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Don't oversimplify things. How is abortion murder if it occurs early before the brain had developed. Anti-abortion groups should stop talking in terms of whether the heart is beating. Without a developed brain, the fetus wouldn't feel any pain from the abortion. Abortion is not a felony, it is legal throughout the country. Why must sex only be for creation. What about cases of rape? Should we just walk up to the rapists and ask them to keep it in their pants? Abortion often saves the baby and the mother from a life of poverty and suffering. You should look at the other side of issues before you jump to conclusions.
And what do you think of birth control (condoms, pills, etc) instead of just simply "Keep it in your pants"?
Trust me I have seen the other side of the issue and been told by my friends.

Abortion is killing a potital human being. Abortion is a cowards way out so you dont have to take resposibility for your actions. The fetus is a Human and you are killing it.

and even in the case of rape the fetus is still inocent and dosnt deserve to die and has the right to life.

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Old 05-31-2007, 10:35 AM
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1. I agree.
2. Abolish it? What if Nebraskas voters decide they would like one? With state central government, why should they not be allowed to? As you said a few posts back, we are the United States of America. Let the States decide, no?
Abolish the federal minimum wage.
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3. Agreed.

I commend your want to keep things state-centered.
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Old 05-31-2007, 10:40 AM
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Eh, I would never want to be the actual president. Instead, I just want to be the arm chair president so that I can scrutinize and criticize everyone else's policies, slander their names into the mud, and gripe about how much they suck butt.

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For me if i have the power to be voted this is what i will do.
The War in Iraq I will recall all troops back to the country, set up an independent council to help train and advice the new iraq goverment on politics issue and help them to maintain the country if needed. No military intervention only advice.

Illegal Immigration For this i will require a more control environment where immigrants need to register with the states and will offer equal job opportunities for those that have register. As for those that try to enter well, we need to create a special immigration council to monitor and to only allow those with certain skill that can benefit the country to pass thru.
Social Security Offer better security plan for the future of the citizen and have a special commision to monitor and make sure of the work done.
Public Education improve on the current education level, introduce more better beneficial subjects that is useful and can contribute to the country.
Gun Control only license holder will be able to handle guns and registration and application for license is a must. To stop hate crime and silly shooting from happening.
Marijuana Legalization will crack down on marijuana and all drugs that is illegal and harmful to society.
Environmental Policy take more drastic action to improve environment effect and to encourage planting of greenery in the city.
Minimum Wage will implement and enforce a minimum wage policy base on cost of living so that those with very low salary can have a chance of a better earning.
Abortion this will be a case to case basis and must have the consent of parents and the person involved.
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:21 PM
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If murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, then abortion is not murder because it is perfectly legal.
And if life is the issue, the baby is not alive yet. Should this be extended to when people decide not to have sex? Is that stopping a baby from being born when it has all the right to be? That is the same because both are just the potential for life, not life itself.
And 21% of abortions are because women can't afford a baby. And more minority women had abortions than white women (49 per 1,000). That would be a lot of babies born into poverty. What would their lives be like? At least this way, the baby feels no pain and the mother can have another baby when she's ready and the mother will have a better life and so will the baby that is born. Just because you don't like abortions, you shouldn't be able to take it away from the people that need it. Don't turn your opinion into the law.
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