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08-06-2007, 05:07 PM
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Conscript
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Independent candidate
Greetings,
I've accessed your forum after Googling my campaign website and find the commentary interesting.
I'd like to clarify something about Chuq's comment on Independent candidates:
"Good question! Basically, they are those candidates that did not get the nomination of their party and their egoes will not let them bow out gracefully. I mean look at Liebermann, Anderson, et al. There is an independent in the Senate I believe, Bernie Sanders, but originally he was a socialist. In the US Independent gets you more votes than socialist."
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Actually, I never sought either party's nomination, believing that they are two sides of the same coin, and I am disappointed in the continuing bipartisan battles that waste their time and our money. I'm compelled to act by running against the Goliaths, their lobbyists and corporate backers. Money can buy votes, but the people of this country can vote their own consciences. This may be the one opportunity in our entire lifetimes that we can actually make a difference in our political system by voting for an independent. About 40% of Americans register as "independent," and about 40% of Americans choose not to vote. The groups undoubtedly overlap. If I can convince most of those 40%'ers to do the right thing this election, you will see a truly refreshing presidency and experience real changes for the good of all Americans.
My campaign site is extensive, and was entirely written by myself. I do not have a staff of political analysts and professional writers doing all this work, and what you read is what I believe. I don't expect anyone to agree with every issue I cover, but if you agree with most, please consider this alternative to more of the same. See below.
Sincerely,
Don Allen, DVM
Professional Attributes Survey
Veterinarian Teacher Lawyer Politician
Compassion ___ 82%_______64%_______5%________4%___
Trustworthy_______72%_______69%______ 11%_______ 4%___
Honest___________71%_______71%____ __ 8%___ _____4%___
Empathetic_____ __70%______ 55%___ ___ 9%____ ___ 8%___
Respected________67%_______69%_____ _ 30%_____ __18%__
Any Questions?
VOTE INDEPENDENT
ALLEN
FOR PRESIDENT
Donald K. Allen for President
Source: AVMA Base: (n-3,073)
Last edited by donkenall; 08-06-2007 at 05:09 PM.
Reason: graph heads too far left
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08-06-2007, 08:33 PM
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Conscript
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by donkenall
Greetings,
I've accessed your forum after Googling my campaign website and find the commentary interesting.
I'd like to clarify something about Chuq's comment on Independent candidates:
"Good question! Basically, they are those candidates that did not get the nomination of their party and their egoes will not let them bow out gracefully. I mean look at Liebermann, Anderson, et al. There is an independent in the Senate I believe, Bernie Sanders, but originally he was a socialist. In the US Independent gets you more votes than socialist."
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Actually, I never sought either party's nomination, believing that they are two sides of the same coin, and I am disappointed in the continuing bipartisan battles that waste their time and our money. I'm compelled to act by running against the Goliaths, their lobbyists and corporate backers. Money can buy votes, but the people of this country can vote their own consciences. This may be the one opportunity in our entire lifetimes that we can actually make a difference in our political system by voting for an independent. About 40% of Americans register as "independent," and about 40% of Americans choose not to vote. The groups undoubtedly overlap. If I can convince most of those 40%'ers to do the right thing this election, you will see a truly refreshing presidency and experience real changes for the good of all Americans.
My campaign site is extensive, and was entirely written by myself. I do not have a staff of political analysts and professional writers doing all this work, and what you read is what I believe. I don't expect anyone to agree with every issue I cover, but if you agree with most, please consider this alternative to more of the same. See below.
Sincerely,
Don Allen, DVM
Professional Attributes Survey
Veterinarian Teacher Lawyer Politician
Compassion ___ 82%_______64%_______5%________4%___
Trustworthy_______72%_______69%______ 11%_______ 4%___
Honest___________71%_______71%____ __ 8%___ _____4%___
Empathetic_____ __70%______ 55%___ ___ 9%____ ___ 8%___
Respected________67%_______69%_____ _ 30%_____ __18%__
Any Questions?
VOTE INDEPENDENT
ALLEN
FOR PRESIDENT
Donald K. Allen for President
Source: AVMA Base: (n-3,073)
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I gave up reading your site after going through a couple of pages. I am not sure if you are for real but please don't give up your day job!
Do you really want to put pig fat on bullets that are used to shoot Muslims? That is disgusting!
How do you condemn the UN building? You do realize that it sits on land that is not part of the US and the US has no sovereignty over it, right?
You say you want ID cards for immigrants. Does that include ID cards for US citizens?
National Referendums? That would take a constitutional change.
Line item veto? Constitutional amendment again.
What about the American citizens that look like Middle Eastern men and women? Do they have the right to not being searched at airports or is it just the tall white bald men like you? Your picture of "Americans" is very small.
Overall I find you to be more ultra-conservative than anyone else running for President. I also find many of your proposals to be very naive.
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08-06-2007, 09:18 PM
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Sounds like he'd fit right in with most of the Republicans, to me.
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08-16-2007, 02:53 AM
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Conscript
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Independent Voters
I think Newt Gingrich is going to be the Independent candidate.
Trouble is, he is one of the crafters of NAFTA, and an elitist.
He is very convincing, and I hope people don't fall for his
so called patriotism.
Check his background carefully. Not for me,, that is for sure.
Independents should vote for Ron Paul. He actually represents most of the positions of the independent voters. In some states, independents
can't vote in the Primaries. It would behove them to register
Republican just to vote for Ron Paul in the Primaries, and then when
the general election comes up, they can vote for whoever they want.
Most people are "Independents" because they are sick of the status quo.
Anti- Iraq war, anti-globalist agenda, anti-BS, anti Patriot Act, and many other reasons, most of which are usually the things Ron Paul represents.
On one interview, he said "I am running for President of the United States,
NOT President of the Republican Party".
He is a true American, not a "Party hog".
I think that is why so many of the people are supporting him.
I have never voted for a "Party" either. But he is what I want for this
country.
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08-16-2007, 10:56 AM
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If we are to vote independent (that means more than just for president, I'm assuming) what are everyone's views of voting for Cindy Sheehan as she has announced she'll run against Pelosi?
Just curious.
(I do know that geography will hinder some people's ability to *actually* vote for Sheehan, but I always wonder why an independent is considered "less evil" simply because they arent a Dem or a Rep. Seems like just another "party line" to vote for to me.)
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08-16-2007, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeT
If we are to vote independent (that means more than just for president, I'm assuming) what are everyone's views of voting for Cindy Sheehan as she has announced she'll run against Pelosi?
Just curious.
(I do know that geography will hinder some people's ability to *actually* vote for Sheehan, but I always wonder why an independent is considered "less evil" simply because they arent a Dem or a Rep. Seems like just another "party line" to vote for to me.)
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Sorry to deviate from what's considered intelligent conversation here, but I'd never vote for that crazy bitch... to answer your question.
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08-17-2007, 09:15 AM
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Knight
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Originally Posted by iTaliAN_ICe
Sorry to deviate from what's considered intelligent conversation here, but I'd never vote for that crazy bitch... to answer your question.
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LOL  Are you saying that your response is not "intelligent conversation"? If so, I disagree. It's your opinion and I don't think you're unintelligent, even if I disagree with that particular opinion.
The question, however, was to point out that voting strictly independent, no matter who the candidate is, is just as faulty as voting strictly Democratic or Republican no matter who the candidate is.
Unfortunately, many people do vote along party lines simply because it's easier than trying to decipher who to vote for on the issues--since there's always so much conflicting information.
Of course, there are those who vote along party lines because they've aligned themselves with a particular party, but for those who aren't aligned, it can be very tricky to get to the truth.
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08-18-2007, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeT
LOL  Are you saying that your response is not "intelligent conversation"? If so, I disagree. It's your opinion and I don't think you're unintelligent, even if I disagree with that particular opinion.
The question, however, was to point out that voting strictly independent, no matter who the candidate is, is just as faulty as voting strictly Democratic or Republican no matter who the candidate is.
Unfortunately, many people do vote along party lines simply because it's easier than trying to decipher who to vote for on the issues--since there's always so much conflicting information.
Of course, there are those who vote along party lines because they've aligned themselves with a particular party, but for those who aren't aligned, it can be very tricky to get to the truth.
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I agree. I will never tell myself that I won't vote for a particular candidate just because of what party they belong to. If only everyone would vote for the candidate that best represented their personal views, rather than jumping on the democratic or republican bandwagon without even stopping to examine the candidates' stances.
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08-18-2007, 09:25 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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The Politicians Mantra
(1) We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.
(2) In politics, your enemies can't hurt you, but your friends will kill you.
(3) Among politicians the esteem of religion is profitable, the principles of it are troublesome.
(4) Justice without force is powerless, force without justice is tyrannical.
(5) A politician should have three hats. One for throwing into the ring, one for talking through, and one for pulling out rabbits if elected.
(6) The two greatest obstacles to democracy :
the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy and the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.
(7) In our age there is no such thing as "keeping out of politics" All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies.
(8) In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
(9) Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
(10) A good politician under democracy is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar.
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08-19-2007, 12:30 AM
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Trojan, you seem to have a serious problem with making your posts relevant to the discussion at hand.
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