Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

Seems like it's going to be McCain vs Obama.

Maybe Ron Paul will run as a 3rd party candidate. There's also a bunch of other 3rd party groups out there who nobody knows about and you have to go looking for with a flashlight to find.

I suspect most people have figured out who they will vote for. Are you one of them?

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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

I WANT to vote for Obama, but I do not like his position on Iraq. That is the primary thing that causes me to struggle with myself. I feel that the US is obligated to help the Iraqi's since we de-stabilized their country. You don't fuck somebody's country up and then run anyway. At the same time, I agree with Obama on universal healthcare, taxing the rich and the enormous amount of energy, progress and good will coming out of the Democrat Party really has an enormous pull on me. I remain at war with myself for the election.


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prrriiide

I'm voting for Obama, but you already knew that.

AFA his Iraq position...

I understand and agree with your statement that we are obligated to help them re-build their country since we went in like a bull in a china closet. But I don't know that keeping a sizeable military presence is going to help us do that more than using a fleet-response model that allows us to do what Thomas Barnett suggests in this talk (thanks to GlobalSmiles for the link - ted.com is a KILLER site!). If you listen to the 20 minute talk, you can see where Obama can effect a huge change in Iraq by adopting a different model than the line-in-the-sand paradigm that BushCo has followed and McCain espouses.

I honestly don't think Obama intends to hang the Iraqis out to dry. I think he fully intends to think outside the box, and will demand the same from his commanders in order to devise a sensible plan that gets our military (and our economy) out of harm's way while still effecting the needed support for the Iraqis. What that solution will entail, I don't know. But there are a lot of people a lot smarter than me at his disposal to come up with that answer.

The point is, even if he can't possibly live up to a withdrawal in X months due to circumstances on the ground, I will be satisfied in knowing that getting us out is at the top of the mission parameter list, and all other actions taken are viewed through that lens.

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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

I am starting to drift more towards Obama. It's not just for policy, a lot of it has to do with what I see as a movement in this country. To be really blunt, one thing I see is white people putting their neck on the line for a black guy, and I ask myself how in good conscience I can turn my back on someone who is a racially mixed person just like I am, shares most of my core beliefs and delivers the most patriotic and uplifting speeches I have ever seen in modern history? If Obama loses, wow, that'll be the LAST time white folks ever trust a black man with the nomination again.

Going back to policy, I think the Iraqi's will have had the better part of 6 years to stabilize things. What are they going to accomplish in 4 more years that they couldn't have accomplished already?

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The Tom Barnett talk was interesting, but I don't know if the political will exists for the "SysAdmin" force he talks about. He was right that we have to scare ourselves to mobilize ourselves. He makes the jump from that to let's just build the SysAdmin force. Problem is, didn't Bush win in 2000 running against such an idea?.....

Americans haven't sold themselves on the notion of nation-building.

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prrriiide

True, but after 6 years of how NOT to win a peace, I think Americans would probably be more open to such a concept now. I don't think Americans have sold themselves on the notion because the only person doing any selling has been pushing an obviously inferior product.

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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

No, my friend. I don't agree with that. That is something you want to believe, and I'd like to believe it to.

The reality is that when it comes down to making a sacrifice, a few thousand of our troops or saving several hundreds of thousands of "their" civilians, we'll allow their civilians to be killed. That's the reality of not only Americans, but the people of every country in the world. We are human beings at heart, and thus self-interested. We have not yet evolved at the moral level to that kind of altruism, risking the lives of our soldiers for sheer principle and not just self-interest. We fight for self-interest, not to stop genocide.


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FRYandBENDER

Bob Barr has announced that he will run as a libertarian as well.

There was a reverend on the Sean Hannity radio show yesterday that said he had concrete 1,000,000% proof that Obama and Rev. Wright have had or are still in a homosexual relationship, though he said he would not come forth with it until the opportune time. I can't remember the guys name, but Hannity doesn't like him and did not agree with him saying this about Obama. None the less, Hannity remains a douche bag.

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I guess I'm going to have to vote McCain. First time for a Republican.

Why? The Democrats are wrong on health care. They are going to give more power to the insurance companies, if that is even possible. In my opinion, the only way to have universal health care is to turn it into a government run operation.

The war was wrong. Still, you can't just pull out after destroying someone's country. We need to wait a little longer before getting out of there. (note: anyone who brings up the 100yr comment will be promptly ignored.)

I doubt I'd vote Democrat in this election no matter if it was Hillary or Obama, but especially not Obama. I do not trust that he has the countries best interests in mind.

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I'm voting for Obama.

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